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[213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id m8si3990950pav.2.2012.10.15.10.46.57; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Oct 2012 17:46:56 -0000 Received: from p57A08346.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.131.70] by mail.gmx.net (mp072) with SMTP; 15 Oct 2012 19:46:56 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+R4poHL6+R+l2ZvncX7VPgRTV418bY7oGhB4H0IA JoHK8LXaL8tSAv Message-ID: <507C4C0B.7050504@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:46:51 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Can the inconsistency with {seisa'a ... se'u} be overrriden? References: <507C2E87.7010700@gmx.de> <507C38D4.2070306@gmx.de> <61d85a73-4eb4-4bd2-9c69-f47e3d4d1e16@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <61d85a73-4eb4-4bd2-9c69-f47e3d4d1e16@googlegroups.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 15.10.2012 19:21, schrieb la gleki: > > > On Monday, October 15, 2012 8:28:01 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote: > > Am 15.10.2012 18:02, schrieb la gleki: > > > > Does it mean then that > > > > /do sei mi prami do se'u klama la .landyn./ > > and > > /do klama la .landyn. sei mi prami do se'u/ > > > > mean the same? > > You mean "sei mi do prami [se'u]". SEI closes automatically once it > sees > a completed selbri. > I would say they mean the same, yes. > > > so sei...se'u always refers to the whole bridi. > OK. Now how can I express UI using brivla? > using {to'i}? or what? Any description of emotions that uses things other than UI is merely an=20 approximation. Saying "I'm happy" is not the same thing as smiling for=20 example. You can use SEI to create ad-hoc "UI" though, just like you=20 wanted. It's just that "ui" and "sei mi gleki" aren't exactly identical,=20 the latter is at most a means of paraphrasing an emotion. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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