Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:39889) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TO7gQ-0000In-9p; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:00:05 -0700 Received: by mail-gg0-f189.google.com with SMTP id o6sf5393096ggm.16 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:59:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xTcMncCmuUrU8G7KsfRrIcqIlYMUCAe5OTjEOrGoQRc=; b=D5OtqFxEXSorr9Vzx35wXMzAwIlKs7Q8UQ0uIRHDqyekzWLWtchbuJfJ+Cj+UQSzma y2SXZvZhAvNtjzTd6kSPl2CTrb9u+qhTf/eMq+7zHbwYeNlQgf6Ks+dkmh5xBkxbIsxW F/gpGw3kwnKQSAFpDt3VXm/R5maYtLpRHNTIRrcLJecsol794kUrwPex/RXw5Dn97yv9 +u5/Zo5+BPyNJc3Ig48JdyYKYBjxntQ8v/SOI7yrgAdRfGMZSnGP6sP0w1zRUEYvP/l2 piDRaxgJv3fM1omjsg1tvYRBUlw8Lb3BWZxC6prhaOQuTfql+Gv65UKT53ho69pV3w4P Uxjg== Received: by 10.52.72.197 with SMTP id f5mr2250437vdv.17.1350395978862; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:59:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.221.10.72 with SMTP id oz8ls1218721vcb.5.gmail; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.6.72 with SMTP id cs8mr3020214ved.27.1350395978300; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.6.72 with SMTP id cs8mr3020213ved.27.1350395978280; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f42.google.com (mail-vb0-f42.google.com [209.85.212.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dj17si460985vdb.1.2012.10.16.06.59.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.42; Received: by mail-vb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id fs19so14001961vbb.1 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:59:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.221.1.81 with SMTP id np17mr8589594vcb.66.1350395978061; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.253.129 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:59:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1559336.oe7lixa5AI@caracal> References: <1559336.oe7lixa5AI@caracal> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:59:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] adverbs From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee6ac94177304cc2d90fa X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54ee6ac94177304cc2d90fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll probably be shouted down here, but I think "fasnyvla seltau" would be "adverb" The problem is, of course, that what exactly and "adverb" *is* covers a gigantically wide range of things. Here is MW11's defintion: "a word belonging to one of the major form classes in any of numerous languages, typically serving as a modifier of a verb, an adjective, another adverb, a preposition, a phrase, a clause, or a sentence, expressing some relation of manner or quality, place, time, degree, number, cause, opposition, affirmation, or denial, and in English also serving to connect and to express comment on clause content =97 compare adjunct, conjunct , disjunct " So, basically, the one thing that it CAN'T modify is a noun. --gejyspa On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > How would you say "adverb" in Lojban? Would a Lojban grammarian describin= g > English consider "then" to belong to the same part of speech as adverbs > formed > from adjectives? What about "then" and "there"? > > Pierre > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --bcaec54ee6ac94177304cc2d90fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 I'll probably be shouted down here, but I think &q= uot;fasnyvla seltau" would be "adverb" The problem is, of co= urse, that what exactly and "adverb" *is* covers a gigantically w= ide range of things. =A0Here is MW11's defintion: "a word belongin= g to one of=20 the major form classes in any of numerous languages, typically serving as a= =20 modifier of a verb, an adjective, another adverb, a preposition, a phrase, = a=20 clause, or a sentence, expressing some relation of manner or quality, place= ,=20 time, degree, number, cause, opposition, affirmation, or denial, and in Eng= lish=20 also serving to connect and to express comment on clause content =97 compar= e adjunct= , conjunct, disjunct= "

=A0 So, basically, the one thing that it CAN'T modify is= a noun. =A0
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa


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On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Pierre Abbat <= span dir=3D"ltr"><phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
How would you say "adverb" in Lojb= an? Would a Lojban grammarian describing
English consider "then" to belong to the same part of speech as a= dverbs formed
from adjectives? What about "then" and "there"?

Pierre

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