Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:39716) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TOESs-0003ba-LK; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:14:28 -0700 Received: by mail-qc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id c11sf5752550qca.16 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:14:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vXed9vU7oC8jKRPh0+YYkJKsDzTtFxLg2MftFtDptFM=; b=n4Ac7fK7S5pWPgZLcnn2iJgzijk6MRb9ZB6mz/wI/DGfjHYaGzEARYEedSCqcxhEQL hhnpVimsKQE16rjbMZRgCAGbm7cuu18VqUCV+7BAuhu0tkQQtlx7Aq70mPip+TmM0One PD0kboure14yXLyUHiKbGMkGTnexLVFh2IrvCYgAqJpPVlSoVCu12dDYg6kjMUdi7YbF 4di+pNsBhWqI4daJF57hOGATrKTeQCD1pZR9pIankO4dpzntmrC0uDTszJuc316qy65i fq04t328vRdi9riu1S0S2P18wXvtqeZiYuFCE2j7DRxvhz+WsqyoVsDFM5pDL7uBsPmb 1Vfw== Received: by 10.236.79.7 with SMTP id h7mr2222122yhe.2.1350422047538; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.133.84 with SMTP id p60ls10483405yhi.5.gmail; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.168.68 with SMTP id j44mr6349282yhl.31.1350422046680; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.168.68 with SMTP id j44mr6349277yhl.31.1350422046462; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gh0-f177.google.com (mail-gh0-f177.google.com [209.85.160.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h50si1622576yhi.3.2012.10.16.14.14.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.177; Received: by mail-gh0-f177.google.com with SMTP id f20so1775165ghb.36 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.208.210 with SMTP id gd18mr9221858vcb.43.1350422046249; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:14:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.89.84 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:13:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1559336.oe7lixa5AI@caracal> From: Jacob Errington Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] adverbs To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54fafae5d122704cc33a21d X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54fafae5d122704cc33a21d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can I say fu'ivla? On 16 October 2012 06:59, Michael Turniansky wrote: > I'll probably be shouted down here, but I think "fasnyvla seltau" would > be "adverb" The problem is, of course, that what exactly and "adverb" *is= * > covers a gigantically wide range of things. Here is MW11's defintion: "a > word belonging to one of the major form classes in any of numerous > languages, typically serving as a modifier of a verb, an adjective, anoth= er > adverb, a preposition, a phrase, a clause, or a sentence, expressing some > relation of manner or quality, place, time, degree, number, cause, > opposition, affirmation, or denial, and in English also serving to connec= t > and to express comment on clause content =97 compare adjunct, > conjunct , disjunct > " > > So, basically, the one thing that it CAN'T modify is a noun. > --gejyspa > > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote= : > >> How would you say "adverb" in Lojban? Would a Lojban grammarian describi= ng >> English consider "then" to belong to the same part of speech as adverbs >> formed >> from adjectives? What about "then" and "there"? >> >> Pierre >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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On 16 October 2012= 06:59, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote= :
=A0 I'll probably be sh= outed down here, but I think "fasnyvla seltau" would be "adv= erb" The problem is, of course, that what exactly and "adverb&quo= t; *is* covers a gigantically wide range of things. =A0Here is MW11's d= efintion: "a word belonging to one of=20 the major form classes in any of numerous languages, typically serving as a= =20 modifier of a verb, an adjective, another adverb, a preposition, a phrase, = a=20 clause, or a sentence, expressing some relation of manner or quality, place= ,=20 time, degree, number, cause, opposition, affirmation, or denial, and in Eng= lish=20 also serving to connect and to express comment on clause content =97 compar= e adjunct, conjunct, disjunct"

=A0 So, basically, the one thing that it CAN'T modify is= a noun. =A0
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa


On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 11:10 = AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
How would you say "adverb" in Lojb= an? Would a Lojban grammarian describing
English consider "then" to belong to the same part of speech as a= dverbs formed
from adjectives? What about "then" and "there"?

Pierre

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