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On Monday, October 15, 2012 9:46:59 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
>
> Am 15.10.2012 19:21, schrieb la gleki:=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > On Monday, October 15, 2012 8:28:01 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:=20
> >=20
> >     Am 15.10.2012 18:02, schrieb la gleki:=20
> >      >=20
> >      > Does it mean then that=20
> >      >=20
> >      > /do sei mi prami do se'u klama la .landyn./=20
> >      > and=20
> >      > /do klama la .landyn. sei mi prami do se'u/=20
> >      >=20
> >      > mean the same?=20
> >=20
> >     You mean "sei mi do prami [se'u]". SEI closes automatically once it=
=20
> >     sees=20
> >     a completed selbri.=20
> >     I would say they mean the same, yes.=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > so sei...se'u always refers to the whole bridi.=20
> > OK. Now how can I express UI using brivla?=20
> > using {to'i}? or what?=20
>
> Any description of emotions that uses things other than UI is merely an=
=20
> approximation. Saying "I'm happy" is not the same thing as smiling for=20
> example. You can use SEI to create ad-hoc "UI" though, just like you=20
> wanted. It's just that "ui" and "sei mi gleki" aren't exactly identical,=
=20
> the latter is at most a means of paraphrasing an emotion.=20
>

Nevertheless, is it possible to distinguish between

la .alis. .ui  co'a prami la .bab.
vs.
la .alis. co'a prami la .bab. .ui =20

using sei ...se'u?



> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i=20
>
> --=20
> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo=20
>
> do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u=20
>     .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u=20
> ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu=20
>     .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi=20
> gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi=20
>     .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku=20
>
>
> .=20
>

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<br><br>On Monday, October 15, 2012 9:46:59 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:<blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-lef=
t: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">Am 15.10.2012 19:21, schrieb la gleki=
:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; On Monday, October 15, 2012 8:28:01 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Am 15.10.2012 18:02, schrieb la gleki:
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt;
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; Does it mean then that
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt;
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; /do sei mi prami do se'u klama la .landyn=
./
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; and
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; /do klama la .landyn. sei mi prami do se'=
u/
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt;
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; mean the same?
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; You mean "sei mi do prami [se'u]". SEI closes automa=
tically once it
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; sees
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; a completed selbri.
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; I would say they mean the same, yes.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; so sei...se'u always refers to the whole bridi.
<br>&gt; OK. Now how can I express UI using brivla?
<br>&gt; using {to'i}? or what?
<br>
<br>Any description of emotions that uses things other than UI is merely an=
=20
<br>approximation. Saying "I'm happy" is not the same thing as smiling for=
=20
<br>example. You can use SEI to create ad-hoc "UI" though, just like you=20
<br>wanted. It's just that "ui" and "sei mi gleki" aren't exactly identical=
,=20
<br>the latter is at most a means of paraphrasing an emotion.
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Nevertheless, is it possible to distin=
guish between</div><div><br></div><div>la .alis. .ui &nbsp;co'a prami la .b=
ab.</div><div>vs.</div><div><div>la .alis. co'a prami la .bab.&nbsp;.ui &nb=
sp;</div></div><div><br></div><div>using sei ...se'u?</div><div><br></div><=
div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-l=
eft: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
<br>
<br>--=20
<br>pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
<br>
<br>do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
<br>ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
<br>gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku
<br>
<br>
<br>.
<br></blockquote>

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