Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:47966) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TQLi1-0004sF-PG; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:51 -0700 Received: by mail-qc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id c11sf2884033qca.16 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=e2X27wx9xdT0RSsvC+24hEQuQH2/Js8nF5w0/QHE9uc=; b=peZH9HeNvIevxisUbw0X3GoVH02RH6AutpPqUUd8j39+eZGMuEL5TsZ+cY+1TDE3tV EuLLTBQKJ6SGU/s9YgQ39My4gql+uv9v43vI7V8kpQJV+tCNun9KFuDXXox7jBxEqFsw U/F3cXw3Svq949LWuIHofnk62AtogsnD0ir7umkXsfAEvmrS7xllhj7FdcMTHecGKeZX hnvGe5h8JRCOQUqxxt//uigfdRjI1YPpyc0H77Uw8JQEYwzR1dI8cNWMNBWwfMDRbh4w E/+2kCSKDYMa33vYsOF3Ul/LQLtUtNHrrBnv6ITMPQ9S0HjjnZ+E4K0gsKz+YlPryrvI 0wBA== Received: by 10.50.169.7 with SMTP id aa7mr5230040igc.1.1350926550640; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.189.161 with SMTP id gj1ls9879835igc.3.gmail; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.19.199 with SMTP id d7mr5226298icb.11.1350926549886; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.19.199 with SMTP id d7mr5226297icb.11.1350926549862; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uz16si1804882igb.3.2012.10.22.10.22.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.48; Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id h2so3211066oag.35 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.171.69 with SMTP id as5mr8837012oec.100.1350926549697; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.91.196 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3701753.uZlcAOAk84@caracal> References: <20121008204122.GG32622@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <50734038.3050000@gmx.de> <3701753.uZlcAOAk84@caracal> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:22:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby words: clap, high five, wave (goodbye/hello), handshake From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54a36e41cc29204cca91984 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54a36e41cc29204cca91984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just wondering if, in all this discussion if (te) rinsa was overlooked? For that's all a wave is in context., --gejyspa On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday, October 08, 2012 13:41:23 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > My inclination is type 3 with jikcr- or so. For that sort of thing, > > does it really matter if I draw from the dominant language of the > > area, rather than trying to find some kind of "original language" > > etymology, since it's American culture that we're duplicating? > > Clapping, shaking hands, and waving are ancient. When Don Richardson first > met > Kigo, Hato, and Numu, lowlanders of southwest New Guinea who did not yet > know > what an airplane was though they had seen them flying, the Sawis and Don > both > extended their hands in greeting. The Sawis just touch fingers, but it > means > the same. > > The high five, though, originated most likely around 1977 in some sport in > America. The French Wiktionary has no translation, just a long definition. > Several languages' Wikipedia entries use the English phrase as title. > > On Monday, October 08, 2012 23:06:00 selpa'i wrote: > > These are the words I use: > > > > clap = jalsimgau lo xance > > Sounds good, and "jalsimgau" has been in jbovlaste for years. > > > For "wave", you can say "sligau lo xance" or "xance sligau rinsa". > > > > High five and handshake are mutual actions, so again simxu is needed. > > > > ko'a simxu lo ka ce'u jalgau lo xance be lo nei lo xance be ce'u > > --> xanjalgausi'u = high five > > This doesn't distinguish a high five from a low five. How about > "mumgalco'e"? > > > ko'a simxu lo ka ce'u jgari lo xance be ce'u lo xance lo xance > > --> xanjaisi'u = handshake (doesn't require actual shaking, but some > > handshakes are just holding each others' hand for a short time). > > Two people can xanjaisi'u walking down the street; it isn't necessary a > handshake, or a greeting. "xanjairinsa" was entered in jbovlaste a few > months > ago. > > Pierre > -- > The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec54a36e41cc29204cca91984 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 Just wondering if, in all this discussion if (te) rins= a was overlooked? For that's all a wave is in context.,
=A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 --gejyspa


On Mon, Oct 8, = 2012 at 11:23 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:<= br>
On Monday, October 08, 201= 2 13:41:23 Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> My inclination is type 3 with jikcr- or so. =A0For that sort of thing,=
> does it really matter if I draw from the dominant language of the
> area, rather than trying to find some kind of "original language&= quot;
> etymology, since it's American culture that we're duplicating?=

Clapping, shaking hands, and waving are ancient. When Don Richardson = first met
Kigo, Hato, and Numu, lowlanders of southwest New Guinea who did not yet kn= ow
what an airplane was though they had seen them flying, the Sawis and Don bo= th
extended their hands in greeting. The Sawis just touch fingers, but it mean= s
the same.

The high five, though, originated most likely around 1977 in some sport in<= br> America. The French Wiktionary has no translation, just a long definition.<= br> Several languages' Wikipedia entries use the English phrase as title.

On Monday, October 08, 2012 23:06:00 selpa'i wrote:
> These are the words I use:
>
> clap =3D jalsimgau lo xance

Sounds good, and "jalsimgau" has been in jbovlaste for year= s.

> For "wave", you can say "sligau lo xance" or "= ;xance sligau rinsa".
>
> High five and handshake are mutual actions, so again simxu is needed.<= br> >
> ko'a simxu lo ka ce'u jalgau lo xance be lo nei lo xance be ce= 'u
> --> xanjalgausi'u =3D high five

This doesn't distinguish a high five from a low five. How about &= quot;mumgalco'e"?

> ko'a simxu lo ka ce'u jgari lo xance be ce'u lo xance lo x= ance
> --> xanjaisi'u =3D handshake (doesn't require actual shakin= g, but some
> handshakes are just holding each others' hand for a short time).
Two people can xanjaisi'u walking down the street; it isn't n= ecessary a
handshake, or a greeting. "xanjairinsa" was entered in jbovlaste = a few months
ago.

Pierre
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