Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:51301) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TR85I-0001ah-3Z; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:02:07 -0700 Received: by mail-vb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id b23sf659107vbz.16 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:01:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=2Fw61dNCEDrVpFXh/W6RYHJ400rSHzo0FOns2cz+OXQ=; b=TrAPMKrgpOilYLnTnAynn6xA/k9Okti9Bn4V01xpVTlmCq2L4jkEhNLW1wBg9jPM1c U/9YhNALxTXdxNVxLv9MuRJ8IXYZs5umL/FPTFNHBVtFOuCwSG+KN0k74Fp717ovwffu lsiTONAZXFZ6s1wqP9Q6j68IlUDJEokhikrA7XHbCqmpkBDTEjCi/ksuSKj0kqLY2StH Np+HT2Z+y60T6lQZcy0LDn+6ZrkKX5zhWRaTT1br19IYOznu3TbYfyS4JK98aEmT2Eec aMpyqd4KAEPpS69HbgIli8DFL74sMcW6NWo9zI0+Yq8oyknkLtQkbpeJrWdPee18WmBu s05w== Received: by 10.68.219.198 with SMTP id pq6mr5393948pbc.0.1351112504864; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:01:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.194.202 with SMTP id hy10ls8879646pbc.0.gmail; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.81.170 with SMTP id b10mr4692822pay.31.1351112503920; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.81.170 with SMTP id b10mr4692821pay.31.1351112503907; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f49.google.com (mail-pb0-f49.google.com [209.85.160.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pw7si412547pbb.0.2012.10.24.14.01.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.49; Received: by mail-pb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id xa7so1662349pbc.22 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.234.201 with SMTP id ug9mr12005550pbc.63.1351112503721; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.221.132 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:01:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] The fire's hotness From: "Mike S." To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: maikxlx@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=maikxlx@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33da18d5fd0b04ccd464d3 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b33da18d5fd0b04ccd464d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Given: .i lo se mupli be lo vi fagri be'o je ka glare cu pluka mi "The instantiated-by-this-fire property-of-being-hot is pleasant to me." = "This fire's hotness is pleasant to me." I am trying to encode what are sometimes called "tropes", properties as they are instantiated in particular cases. Does the Lojban capture that the way I think it does? Is there any way to shorten this expression without losing the logical form? -- co ma'a mke Xorban blog: Xorban.wordpress.com My LL blog: Loglang.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --047d7b33da18d5fd0b04ccd464d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Given:

.i lo se mupli be lo vi fagri be'o je ka gl= are cu pluka mi

"The instantiated-by-this-fire property-of-bein= g-hot is pleasant to me."
=3D "This fire's hotness is plea= sant to me."

I am trying to encode what are sometimes called "tropes", pro= perties as they are instantiated in particular cases.=A0 Does the Lojban ca= pture that the way I think it does?

Is there any way to shorten this= expression without losing the logical form?

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My LL blog: Loglang.wordpress.c= om

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