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On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 7:54 PM, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com>wrote:

> On 10/24/2012 04:01 PM, Mike S. wrote:
> > Given:
> >
> > .i lo se mupli be lo vi fagri be'o je ka glare cu pluka mi
> >
> > "The instantiated-by-this-fire property-of-being-hot is pleasant to me."
> > = "This fire's hotness is pleasant to me."
> >
> > I am trying to encode what are sometimes called "tropes", properties as
> > they are instantiated in particular cases.  Does the Lojban capture that
> > the way I think it does?
> >
> > Is there any way to shorten this expression without losing the logical
> form?
> >
>
> .i lo ka glare be gau lo vi fagri cu pluka mi
>

Not bad, except I think that means "the property of (being hot caused by
the fire) is pleasant to me."  Might as well change the "ka" to "nu mi".
It's a good sentence, but doesn't match the original.

But you did give me an idea.  I want to replace "mupli" with "ckaji"
changing my original sentence to:

.i lo se ckaji be lo vi fagri be'o je ka glare cu pluka mi


Then following your pattern:

.i lo ka glare kei be kai lo vi fagri cu pluka mi
"The (property of being hot) characterizing this fire is pleasant to me."
"The hotness of this fire is pleasant to me."


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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 7:54 PM, vitci&#=
39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:celestialcognition@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">celestialcognition@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On 10/24/2012 04:01 PM, Mike S. wrote:<br>
&gt; Given:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; .i lo se mupli be lo vi fagri be&#39;o je ka glare cu pluka mi<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;The instantiated-by-this-fire property-of-being-hot is pleasant =
to me.&quot;<br>
&gt; =3D &quot;This fire&#39;s hotness is pleasant to me.&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I am trying to encode what are sometimes called &quot;tropes&quot;, pr=
operties as<br>
&gt; they are instantiated in particular cases. =A0Does the Lojban capture =
that<br>
&gt; the way I think it does?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Is there any way to shorten this expression without losing the logical=
 form?<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>.i lo ka glare be gau lo vi fagri cu pluka mi<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><=
font color=3D"#888888"><br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Not bad, except I think that means &qu=
ot;the property of (being hot caused by the fire) is pleasant to me.&quot;=
=A0 Might as well change the &quot;ka&quot; to &quot;nu mi&quot;.=A0 It&#39=
;s a good sentence, but doesn&#39;t match the original.<br>
<br>But you did give me an idea.=A0 I want to replace &quot;mupli&quot; wit=
h &quot;ckaji&quot; changing my original sentence to:<br clear=3D"all"><br>=
.i lo se ckaji be lo vi fagri be&#39;o je ka glare cu pluka mi<br><br><br>T=
hen following your pattern:<br>
<br>.i lo ka glare kei be kai lo vi fagri cu pluka mi<br>&quot;The (propert=
y of being hot) characterizing this fire is pleasant to me.&quot;<br>&quot;=
The hotness of this fire is pleasant to me.&quot;<br><br><br>-- <br>co ma&#=
39;a mke<br>
<br>Xorban blog: <a href=3D"http://xorban.wordpress.com/" target=3D"_blank"=
>Xorban.wordpress.com</a><br>My LL blog: <a href=3D"http://loglang.wordpres=
s.com/" target=3D"_blank">Loglang.wordpress.com</a> <br><br>

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