Received: from mail-pa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.220.61]:44472) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TRCA6-00055b-50; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:23:18 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id fa11sf765587pad.16 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:23:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KLeS35v/APy2Gds77Lbzds2yaYfxOExpiemw8Czc5dU=; b=s+BW1C+JK9Ab4iV1+6w018m4ynaBGxNOtNX6ItMfukK0RlRq0rrIltU8t90xl/zlKl jQbbBUKEhr1D8GtI2IUvH+BE+Ss8xXxMfs2n0/+vgCqg5hALtnjvc8gNAIVStFGzZ3Xl xE2paTLeAnkrFrPgIJ8GiD/0SKQdUWGi7tk8O5PQdZsdhDFcbIeIQmFcV81au5mdc3CR sbv2rKyIcKHoMWEDH86AU/+YCns/oifvwhq+IqxvcKDr35SRl98LfgcfG4+7tFyTo3WZ DNo0f2hwUCPKVckLXW0xyh2oerIDxwz4M6CQiKk7vfU6qgVa/28Y4IkI60MqiSKL5Jna NPtA== Received: by 10.68.229.231 with SMTP id st7mr5521073pbc.2.1351128180025; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:23:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.141.79 with SMTP id rm15ls9383753pbb.1.gmail; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.80.98 with SMTP id q2mr5476366pax.33.1351128179475; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.80.98 with SMTP id q2mr5476363pax.33.1351128179458; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com (mail-pb0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nt8si506689pbb.1.2012.10.24.18.22.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.43; Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id jt11so1538702pbb.2 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.90.65 with SMTP id bu1mr48876201pab.31.1351128179318; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.221.132 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:22:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:22:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The fire's hotness From: "Mike S." To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: maikxlx@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=maikxlx@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042dfdb92ca0c104ccd80b64 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d042dfdb92ca0c104ccd80b64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > Although I don't fully follow what it is you're trying to get at here, > it's generally agreed upon that using ka that way is no good. In general > use, ka is used only for "pure functions" -- properties and not qualitites, > which is how the CLL describes ka. Okay. That being said, I'd just use {nu}, which I believe represents an > particular instance of a predication, which is just a property with the > ce'u-places filled in: > > {lo nu lo fagri cu glare cu pluka mi} > or perhaps, > {lo nu seli'i lo fagri cu glare cu pluka mi} > The second one is interesting. Instead of "nu seli'i", why not just "li'i"? Is "nu" rquired by pluka? -- co ma'a mke Xorban blog: Xorban.wordpress.com My LL blog: Loglang.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d042dfdb92ca0c104ccd80b64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Jacob Errin= gton <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
Although I don't fully follow what it is you're trying to get at he= re, it's generally agreed upon that using ka that way is no good. In ge= neral use, ka is used only for "pure functions" -- properties and= not qualitites, which is how the CLL describes ka.

Okay.
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That being said, I'd just use {nu}, which I believe represen= ts an particular instance of a predication, which is just a property with t= he ce'u-places filled in:

{lo nu lo fagri cu g= lare cu pluka mi}
or perhaps,
{lo nu seli'i lo fagri cu glare cu pluka mi}=

The second one is interesting.=A0 Instead of &q= uot;nu seli'i", why not just "li'i"?=A0 Is "nu&= quot; rquired by pluka?=A0
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