Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:45872)
	by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
	(Exim 4.76)
	(envelope-from <lojban+bncBC65FOEL4UJRBI6IZOCAKGQEWKNP6JI@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1TU1xT-00062L-Kc; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:05:59 -0700
Received: by mail-fa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id p1sf1184201fap.16
        for <multiple recipients>; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806;
        h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id
         :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to
         :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results
         :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id
         :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe
         :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding;
        bh=TSf4mj/Csn7iTtHJBM/MEw4/8HywRKWzLUHzOxy2p4Y=;
        b=wbGf1MhiL0oGda7z4IYQjSfKCB4mFpkG2OJXDY3gHvL8Jpgq3rTFToGZvoLB1repTl
         gd4IDsWRSvvoJBWoTHdrU6phZr6tsP8uiglgIYYRzn9dcUgZgiMCUeDDQ4b9R91imCO1
         jHWOClrkIrHLieGyyIOgGmqdVi2f9qPJlyeGHMvmLe+1Tp5LOVs0bHRPSUOlVtNIomGs
         8nS2JGqewO8e1su8iKTP3kzPv6Fr7S68Ll1wiBVrYAYjbTIYTrW/lg4BD27KffgdTZEC
         Kda4mL0R5eISK5swZuIa+bE5bUOM7bisZSc+tJHzaGlRKtu/kR6FSsGOM0r9nTef9arZ
         gaPw==
Received: by 10.180.97.38 with SMTP id dx6mr663780wib.0.1351803939784;
        Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:05:39 -0700 (PDT)
X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.180.100.194 with SMTP id fa2ls2232985wib.4.canary; Thu, 01 Nov
 2012 14:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.180.97.162 with SMTP id eb2mr1137052wib.0.1351803938880;
        Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.180.97.162 with SMTP id eb2mr1137051wib.0.1351803938865;
        Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.22])
        by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id z7si24514wiw.1.2012.11.01.14.05.38;
        Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22;
Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 Nov 2012 21:05:38 -0000
Received: from p57A097BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.151.188]
  by mail.gmx.net (mp072) with SMTP; 01 Nov 2012 22:05:38 +0100
X-Authenticated: #54293076
X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Cc5tF6WsC4zfRrX/dpuxIrNZWeSlyEdMEO7a8vd
	p4Ll1yDE+r4daj
Message-ID: <5092E423.7030409@gmx.de>
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:05:39 +0100
From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban] Translation help for a theatre project?
References: <af3f41a6-9fc6-42ca-adfb-9f012011fe84@googlegroups.com> <509159E7.7050009@gmx.de> <db84a63e-a35e-4404-bf1e-6659c356a58a@googlegroups.com> <50925F09.1040206@gmx.de> <4f22e472-087b-479c-88c1-98aaecf46681@googlegroups.com> <509270C2.6030602@gmx.de> <e70f304d-48ed-40ac-a99d-e6b126a34a9b@googlegroups.com>
In-Reply-To: <e70f304d-48ed-40ac-a99d-e6b126a34a9b@googlegroups.com>
X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0
X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de
X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com:
 domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:googlegroups-manage+1004133512417+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/)
X-Spam_score: 0.0
X-Spam_score_int: 0
X-Spam_bar: /

Am 01.11.2012 21:13, schrieb Jyrki Pylv=C3=A4s:
>
>
>     Well the hardest part will be to correctly convey the style as well a=
s
>     some specific words that will need to be made up for this text.
>
>     I will let you know of specific parts I don't really what the
>     meaning of
>     later when I have more time. It's just small parts that I need some
>     clarification on.
>
>
> Don't hesitate to ask me. And the process of making up words sounds also
> interesting if you have the chance of explaining that to me.

The first part is not clear to me.

 > Rukous / The Prayer:

I'm not sure what word to use for "prayer" here, since the speaker=20
(Godot) doesn't seem to be begging or asking anything. I'm currently=20
using "nu pikci", but this implies that something is being asked for.

 > From the ones before us,
 > complete and unchanged.

What does this mean? Is it merely a clarification that the following=20
prayer is unchanged from the way it was? It's not part of the prayer=20
itself, right?

 > Everything as pure as in the beginning.
 > In descendant: ancestral similarity, valued.
 > Devoid of mutation.

"In descendant" confuses me. Does it mean "there is some quality in=20
decendants, namely they are similar to their ancestors? Please clarify.

 > This I will guard.
 >
 > This is my promise.
 > This is my destiny.
 > The level of my purity, determined.

What is "this" ?

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

--=20
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
    .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
    .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
    .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku


.

--=20
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.