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But the question as to stress is only tangential to the underlying=20
phonotactical issue that it implies--namely, first off, zo pei is defined=
=20
as being, by definition, one syllable because it contains only a=20
non-syllabic consonant and diphthong, as per LBG 3.9. However, the=20
allophonic pronunciation zo pe,i [p=C9=9B.i] phonetically contains two=20
syllables. Because under CLL 3.3 the comma can be pronounced as an=20
apostrophe in all situations (which is a 'rule' most jbopre to my=20
understanding already pretend never existed in the first place), but also=
=20
under the same CLL chapter as well as LGB a comma is quote a "syllable=20
break" which is pronounced as two distinct syllables, it is clear that zo=
=20
pei, if considered phonologically equivalent to zo pe,i, would then have to=
=20
constitute both one and two syllables simultaneously, which doesn't seem to=
=20
make much sense. This is not even mentioning the potential confusion with=
=20
zo pe'i, with which the main differentiation between it and zo pei seems to=
=20
be moreso the disyllabicity as opposed to the presence or nonpresence of an=
=20
[h] phoneme/allophone.

mi'e la'oi jesushlincoln

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:52:31 PM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>
> On Thursday, November 01, 2012 13:00:16 jesush...@gmail.com <javascript:>=
wrote:=20
> > If [p=C9=9B.i] =3D [p=C9=9Bi], what about cmavo stress rules? According=
 to CLL 3.3 a=20
> > comma is a syllable break, but according to LBG 3.9 a diphthong always=
=20
> > counts as one syllable. On what syllable would [p=C9=9B.i] be stressed,=
 given=20
> > that [p=C9=9Bi] only has one syllable to stress?=20
>
> There's no official rule yet about which vowel of a diphthong to stress. =
I=20
> think=20
> that, in a stressed diphthong, the first vowel of a falling diphthong and=
=20
> the=20
> second vowel of a rising diphthong should be stressed: =C3=A9i, i=C3=B3, =
u=C3=AD, i=C3=BA.=20
>
> There is no rule about stressing cmavo, except that, if stressed, a cmavo=
=20
> before a brivla may need to be separated from it by a pause. E.g.=20
> "l=C3=B3krat=C3=A1igo"=20
> =3D "lokra tai go" (crustacean like iff) but "l=C3=B3.krat=C3=A1igo" =3D =
"lo krataigo"=20
> (a=20
> hawthorn).=20
>
> Pierre=20
> --=20
> gau do li'i co'e kei do=20
>
>

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But the question as to stress is only tangential to the underlying phonotac=
tical issue that it implies--namely, first off, zo pei is defined as being,=
 by definition, one syllable because it contains only a non-syllabic conson=
ant and diphthong, as per LBG 3.9. However, the allophonic pronunciation zo=
 pe,i [p=C9=9B.i] phonetically contains two syllables. Because under CLL 3.=
3 the comma can be pronounced as an apostrophe in all situations (which is =
a 'rule' most jbopre to my understanding already pretend never existed in t=
he first place), but also under the same CLL chapter as well as LGB a comma=
 is quote a "syllable break" which is pronounced as two distinct syllables,=
 it is clear that zo pei, if considered phonologically equivalent to zo pe,=
i, would then have to constitute both one and two syllables simultaneously,=
 which doesn't seem to make much sense. This is not even mentioning the pot=
ential confusion with zo pe'i, with which the main differentiation between =
it and zo pei seems to be moreso the disyllabicity as opposed to the presen=
ce or nonpresence of an [h] phoneme/allophone.<br><br>mi'e la'oi jesushlinc=
oln<br><br>On Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:52:31 PM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wro=
te:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;=
border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Thursday, November 01, 2=
012 13:00:16 <a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailt=
o=3D"Kf4oCk49wAEJ">jesush...@gmail.com</a> wrote:
<br>&gt; If [p=C9=9B.i] =3D [p=C9=9Bi], what about cmavo stress rules? Acco=
rding to CLL 3.3 a
<br>&gt; comma is a syllable break, but according to LBG 3.9 a diphthong al=
ways
<br>&gt; counts as one syllable. On what syllable would [p=C9=9B.i] be stre=
ssed, given
<br>&gt; that [p=C9=9Bi] only has one syllable to stress?
<br>
<br>There's no official rule yet about which vowel of a diphthong to stress=
. I think=20
<br>that, in a stressed diphthong, the first vowel of a falling diphthong a=
nd the=20
<br>second vowel of a rising diphthong should be stressed: =C3=A9i, i=C3=B3=
, u=C3=AD, i=C3=BA.
<br>
<br>There is no rule about stressing cmavo, except that, if stressed, a cma=
vo=20
<br>before a brivla may need to be separated from it by a pause. E.g. "l=C3=
=B3krat=C3=A1igo"=20
<br>=3D "lokra tai go" (crustacean like iff) but "l=C3=B3.krat=C3=A1igo" =
=3D "lo krataigo" (a=20
<br>hawthorn).
<br>
<br>Pierre
<br>--=20
<br>gau do li'i co'e kei do
<br>
<br></blockquote>

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