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Goodness!

Well, this is a pleasant surprise! Incredible...
I'm traveling most of today, so I'll have to get back to you in the evening=
=20
when I get back home. But quick answers to your questions are here:


 > Rukous / The Prayer:=20

I'm not sure what word to use for "prayer" here, since the speaker=20
(Godot) doesn't seem to be begging or asking anything. I'm currently=20
using "nu pikci", but this implies that something is being asked for.=20

Now I see that the use of word "prayer" is probably a finnism. "Chant"=20
would be more like it.=20


 > From the ones before us,=20
 > complete and unchanged.=20

What does this mean? Is it merely a clarification that the following=20
prayer is unchanged from the way it was? It's not part of the prayer=20
itself, right?=20

Excactly. Just a very complicated way of saying that what is about to be=20
said has not changed at all, ever.


 > Everything as pure as in the beginning.=20
 > In descendant: ancestral similarity, valued.=20
 > Devoid of mutation.=20

"In descendant" confuses me. Does it mean "there is some quality in=20
decendants, namely they are similar to their ancestors? Please clarify.=20

And that similarity is valued. Since the ancestors were perfect. Correct.

 > This I will guard.=20
 >=20
 > This is my promise.=20
 > This is my destiny.=20
 > The level of my purity, determined.=20

What is "this" ?=20

It refers to the ideology behind the chant (the pursuit of changelessness),=
=20
the physical space where the action takes place (it will be something out=
=20
of Mad Max) and quite possibly some small object the character will hold.=
=20


perjantai, 2. marraskuuta 2012 3.03.06 UTC+2 selpa'i kirjoitti:
>
> You're probably asleep already. Well I hope it will be a nice surprise=20
> when you check your mail tomorrow.=20
>
> I've uploaded the text to my website. Note that even though complete,=20
> it's still a draft, and I would be happy if at least one other person=20
> could read over it once. I have not finalized the layout of this text,=20
> but that isn't central to your project anyway, so here it goes:=20
>
> www.selpahi.de/godot.html=20
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i=20
>

Once again: wow!
And thanks!

Will get back to you in the evening.


J.

=20

>
> --=20
> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo=20
>
> do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u=20
>     .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u=20
> ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu=20
>     .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi=20
> gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi=20
>     .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku=20
>
>
> .=20
>

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Goodness!<br><br>Well, this is a pleasant surprise! Incredible...<br>I'm tr=
aveling most of today, so I'll have to get back to you in the evening when =
I get back home. But quick answers to your questions are here:<br><br><br>&=
nbsp;&gt; Rukous / The Prayer:
<br>
<br>I'm not sure what word to use for "prayer" here, since the speaker=20
<br>(Godot) doesn't seem to be begging or asking anything. I'm currently=20
<br>using "nu pikci", but this implies that something is being asked for.
<br>
<br>Now I see that the use of word "prayer" is probably a finnism. "Chant" =
would be more like it. <br><br><br>&nbsp;&gt; From the ones before us,
<br>&nbsp;&gt; complete and unchanged.
<br>
<br>What does this mean? Is it merely a clarification that the following=20
<br>prayer is unchanged from the way it was? It's not part of the prayer=20
<br>itself, right?
<br><br>Excactly. Just a very complicated way of saying that what is about =
to be said has not changed at all, ever.<br><br>
<br>&nbsp;&gt; Everything as pure as in the beginning.
<br>&nbsp;&gt; In descendant: ancestral similarity, valued.
<br>&nbsp;&gt; Devoid of mutation.
<br>
<br>"In descendant" confuses me. Does it mean "there is some quality in=20
<br>decendants, namely they are similar to their ancestors? Please clarify.
<br>
<br>And that similarity is valued. Since the ancestors were perfect. Correc=
t.<br><br>&nbsp;&gt; This I will guard.
<br>&nbsp;&gt;
<br>&nbsp;&gt; This is my promise.
<br>&nbsp;&gt; This is my destiny.
<br>&nbsp;&gt; The level of my purity, determined.
<br>
<br>What is "this" ?
<br><br>It refers to the ideology behind the chant (the pursuit of changele=
ssness), the physical space where the action takes place (it will be someth=
ing out of Mad Max) and quite possibly some small object the character will=
 hold. <br><br><br>perjantai, 2. marraskuuta 2012 3.03.06 UTC+2 selpa'i kir=
joitti:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.=
8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">You're probably asleep =
already. Well I hope it will be a nice surprise=20
<br>when you check your mail tomorrow.
<br>
<br>I've uploaded the text to my website. Note that even though complete,=
=20
<br>it's still a draft, and I would be happy if at least one other person=
=20
<br>could read over it once. I have not finalized the layout of this text,=
=20
<br>but that isn't central to your project anyway, so here it goes:
<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.selpahi.de/godot.html" target=3D"_blank">www.selp=
ahi.de/godot.html</a>
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
<br></blockquote><div><br>Once again: wow!<br>And thanks!<br><br>Will get b=
ack to you in the evening.<br><br><br>J.<br><br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>--=20
<br>pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
<br>
<br>do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
<br>ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
<br>gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku
<br>
<br>
<br>.
<br></blockquote>

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