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*cpedu *- x1 requests/asks/petitions/solicits for x2 of/from x3 in 
manner/form x4.
*minde *- x1 issues commands/orders to x2 for result x3 (event/state) to 
happen; x3 is commanded to occur.

Although two gismu are obviously semantically close to each other they 
differ in the order of arguments.
Is it just a historical quirk?

I guess this is the "error" of {cpedu} cuz other similar gismu follow the 
structure of {minde}.

*fraxu *- x1 forgives x2 for event/state/activity x3.

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<b>cpedu </b>-&nbsp;x1 requests/asks/petitions/solicits for x2 of/from x3 i=
n manner/form x4.<div><b>minde </b>-&nbsp;x1 issues commands/orders to x2 f=
or result x3 (event/state) to happen; x3 is commanded to occur.</div><div><=
br></div><div>Although two gismu are obviously semantically close to each o=
ther they differ in the order of arguments.</div><div>Is it just a historic=
al quirk?</div><div><br></div><div>I guess this is the "error" of {cpedu} c=
uz other similar gismu follow the structure of {minde}.</div><div><br></div=
><div><b>fraxu </b>-&nbsp;x1 forgives x2 for event/state/activity x3.</div>

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