Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:46867) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TV1D0-0000ln-14; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:30:05 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id fl17sf3732292vcb.16 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:29:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=DBeliDluEk+dSu4ewJUht3//nXEU4/IWETLCRMMVi7k=; b=Or+u8ZbID5ajgsGYI8gX9OQL5kCK6Z+AQsKOZlxSFP6t8+Ndaey4ZKSBU7ylsLRdpo UA1s6kJPtcNyPSwgI1ydOM5AMy23o6O+nvbYw9niobmoqIe8PBMshf2ZtX2QKUnrOM7e 0aIxC5TfgJ70Xmh9Ifhwq6BZBwfI9kWDFzd1uQjsls+etGHVDmCn4wr+G8Kg568oMhL7 Bbj5E2r0tRM9dpu7ZvYFC1Rh9jOrardnIgP5X22M5Ro7OGwWYBCn++8kMYqs/GpYx2cF lBUPrLCinn0vMK6f9UFHZCTIIt131+X5Z1SM8y5EyMqIRTyhsKHGhHPOf2/CxsVSC02k Z1tw== Received: by 10.52.91.168 with SMTP id cf8mr1068291vdb.6.1352039387328; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:29:47 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.221.4 with SMTP id ia4ls4793621vcb.4.gmail; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.69.116 with SMTP id d20mr2419369veu.15.1352039386994; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.69.116 with SMTP id d20mr2419368veu.15.1352039386978; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-f47.google.com (mail-vb0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bn19si1488537vdb.0.2012.11.04.06.29.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.47; Received: by mail-vb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id ez10so5184866vbb.6 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.89.172 with SMTP id bp12mr6191376vdb.19.1352039386893; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:29:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.89.84 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 06:29:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4350939.1MPYH7kZPu@caracal> References: <1d7c5585-baa1-4fe4-b52f-c373fdf83ba1@googlegroups.com> <4350939.1MPYH7kZPu@caracal> From: Jacob Errington Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 06:29:26 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "jump to" vs. "jump onto" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5015f3960cc7504cdac335b X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec5015f3960cc7504cdac335b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd say it {ko'a plipe co cpanybi'o lo jubme} for "jump onto" and {koa' plipe co klama lo jubme} for "jump to" .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 4 November 2012 06:15, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday, November 04, 2012 05:24:50 la gleki wrote: > > He jumped to the table. > > He jumped onto the table. > > > > .i ko'a mo'u plipe fa'a lo jubme > > .i ko'a mo'u plipe lo jubme > > > > Am I right? Is it how we should understand {plipe}? > > No. "ko'a plipe fa'a lo jubme" means "He jumped toward the table", except > that > "toward" denotes the location, not the direction, of the jump. For "He > jumped > onto the table", I'd say "ko'a plipe lo cpana be lo jubme". > > Pierre > -- > .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do > .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga > .icu'u la ma'atman. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec5015f3960cc7504cdac335b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd say it {ko'a plipe co cpanybi'o lo jubme} for "jump onto"
and {koa' plipe co klama lo jubme} for "jump to"

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 4 November 2012 06:15, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Sunday, November 04, 2012 05:24:50 la gleki wrote:
> He jumped to the table.
> He jumped onto the table.
>
> .i ko'a mo'u plipe fa'a lo jubme
> .i ko'a mo'u plipe lo jubme
>
> Am I right? Is it how we should understand {plipe}?

No. "ko'a plipe fa'a lo jubme" means "He jumped toward the table", except that
"toward" denotes the location, not the direction, of the jump. For "He jumped
onto the table", I'd say "ko'a plipe lo cpana be lo jubme".

Pierre
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.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

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