Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:37040) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TV2JD-0001rU-I1; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:40:34 -0800 Received: by mail-gh0-f189.google.com with SMTP id f15sf3790348ghb.16 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:40:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=m5wR8aOl55aK+8VXbBTR/aeiiCQvgFZ+QNeD01Nh0nE=; b=bqN+MhVqQzQ5PNTlwKu1iihmOSIKipnsS3PHksFNsHIbmNI/B7HHGEgCV1YcoVYpcF bMYk9s+RzTZtEpGqmMxFcI/L113XjwLzPFX3PvELAf3hWhcs3xGMjakBz8EVjLV61KEK j9UdKni7WOcf6q4lu7kt1goB6KbUqFk0xiZZEQta8TsXjVEHkOsBN6XeWie3XChLigHr m3tiizF1WNTVQRu0Qb/aDnzeayC9yMThAoku3wLYcUui5+BfBkd2okhUySjU7LFYocG8 wPrViNglNBAHv4Eoi0vzWu5yE8g+buuoaEXEK7kLezbdN2YNC9KActEVuHx+h3eOim2H VlkA== Received: by 10.50.197.165 with SMTP id iv5mr3386738igc.4.1352043616905; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.12.233 with SMTP id b9ls7204630igc.4.gmail; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.71.18 with SMTP id yi18mr4303578icb.21.1352043616442; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.71.18 with SMTP id yi18mr4303577icb.21.1352043616426; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7si221032igl.0.2012.11.04.07.40.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.182; Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id wc20so6226499obb.13 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.7.73 with SMTP id h9mr5977288oea.13.1352043616120; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.94.78 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1d7c5585-baa1-4fe4-b52f-c373fdf83ba1@googlegroups.com> <4350939.1MPYH7kZPu@caracal> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:40:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "jump to" vs. "jump onto" From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f9218e075af0904cdad2f25 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f9218e075af0904cdad2f25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, la gleki wrote: > Hey peeps, what does the plain {plipe lo jubme} mean then? > Based on the definition of plipe, I'd say lo se plipe is what is landed on. > On Sunday, November 4, 2012 6:29:47 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote: > >> I'd say it {ko'a plipe co cpanybi'o lo jubme} for "jump onto" >> and {koa' plipe co klama lo jubme} for "jump to" >> >> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >> >> On 4 November 2012 06:15, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >>> On Sunday, November 04, 2012 05:24:50 la gleki wrote: >>> > He jumped to the table. >>> > He jumped onto the table. >>> > >>> > .i ko'a mo'u plipe fa'a lo jubme >>> > .i ko'a mo'u plipe lo jubme >>> > >>> > Am I right? Is it how we should understand {plipe}? >>> >>> No. "ko'a plipe fa'a lo jubme" means "He jumped toward the table", >>> except that >>> "toward" denotes the location, not the direction, of the jump. For "He >>> jumped >>> onto the table", I'd say "ko'a plipe lo cpana be lo jubme". >>> >>> Pierre >>> -- >>> .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do >>> .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga >>> .icu'u la ma'atman. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@** >>> googlegroups.com. >>> >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/lojban?hl=en . >>> >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/SN620V2CfGUJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey peeps, what does the plain {plipe lo jubme} mean then?

Based on the definition of plipe, I'd say = lo se plipe is what is landed on.
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On Sunday, November 4, 2012 6:29:47 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote= :
I'd sa= y it {ko'a plipe co cpanybi'o lo jubme} for "jump onto" and {koa' plipe co klama lo jubme} for "jump to"
.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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On 4 November 2012 06:15, Pierre Abbat <ph...@bezit= opo.org> wrote:
On Sunday, November 04, 2012 05:24:50 la gleki wrote:
> He jumped to the table.
> He jumped onto the table.
>
> .i ko'a mo'u plipe fa'a lo jubme
> .i ko'a mo'u plipe lo jubme
>
> Am I right? Is it how we should understand {plipe}?

No. "ko'a plipe fa'a lo jubme" means "He jumpe= d toward the table", except that
"toward" denotes the location, not the direction, of the jump. Fo= r "He jumped
onto the table", I'd say "ko'a plipe lo cpana be lo jubme= ".

Pierre
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.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

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