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Subject: [lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th
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Now Mediawiki has full support for localising any given page to another 
language. The solution is not ideal, it uses a simple template (anyway, 
ki'ecai .brendyn. for letting know about about this simplest tool)

http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mw/index.php/Template:Ralju

If you think the template can be made a bit nicer plase let me know.
Anyway, now nothing can stop us from starting to really work on this wiki.


On Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:59:32 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:57:37 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:15:54 PM UTC+4, Marica Odagaki wrote:
>>>
>>> .uisai I'm all for adopting MediaWiki as the official wiki.
>>>
>>> > Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. 
>>> Let's make it better than the old one. Together.
>>>
>>> I have a few suggestions to make this project better yet:
>>>
>>> A. Set short-term goals.
>>> - 1. Create overview pages targeted at newcomers/learning & teaching/etc.
>>> - 2. Go over all the TikiWiki pages and migrate them where necessary.
>>>      Last time I checked, there are 2357 of them.
>>>
>>>
>>> B. Broadly categorize pages.
>>> - About: introduction to the language and organizations
>>> - Guides: learning materials, faq
>>> - Documentation: grammar documentation/dictionary/baseline definition
>>> - Writings: Lojbanic writings/multimedia/games
>>> - Encyclopedia of related topics
>>> - News
>>> - Projects
>>> - Participation guides
>>> - People
>>> - Proposals
>>>
>>> (Discussions should happen in the "Talk" side of the page.)
>>>
>>> These are gleaned from a wiki pages categorization project
>>> I'd been tackling by myself:
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqPDUjCrM_cfdDI5NzBIMzhCRHZJWGF2Tzl4R245N3c
>>>
>>> Giving the wiki a minimum structure will help grow it without falling 
>>> into a chaotic state.
>>>
>>>
>>> C. Define what goes into the wiki, and state it in the wiki.
>>> - All of the above (in B.)
>>> - Questions should be asked in the mailing-list first.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do these sound all good?
>>>
>>
>> go'isai
>>
>> Especially "minimum structure". I don't want lojban.org/tiki to be shut 
>> down.
>>
>> AND NOW IMPORTANT MESSAGE.
>> Robin INSTALLED MEDIAWIKI ON HIS SERVER. THE CURRENT ADDRESS IS
>> http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mw/index.php/ralju_ckupau
>>
>> Problems that I can see so far:
>> 1. I can't create folders in the root of mediawiki installation. And 
>> probably therefore impossible to upload files.
>>
>
> Solved. 
>
> 2. Not only I should have sftp access to that root folder (who is familiar 
>> with MediaWiki? Whom can we trust?)
>> 3. I haven't found appropriate extension to localise wiki pages on the 
>> fly like it is done in Tiki.
>>
>
> Translate Extension installed. 
>
>>
>>
>> I hope Robin will  fix the first problem himself.
>>
>> As for the third problem I'm waiting for suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>>> mu'o
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:23:10 PM UTC+9, la gleki wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:20:20 PM UTC+4, iesk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the clarification.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does the logo in the upper left part of the screen stand for? 
>>>>>
>>>> Well, just 25 years of Lojban, nothing more.
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and the opening page is currently filled with some non-Lojban 
>>>>> text. Maybe the standard propaganda ( 
>>>>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/la%20lojban.%20mo?no_bl=y ) would be 
>>>>> fitting?
>>>>>
>>>>> iesk
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. 
>>>> Let's make it better than the old one. Together.
>>>>
>>>

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Now Mediawiki has full support for localising any given page to another lan=
guage. The solution is not ideal, it uses a simple template (anyway, ki'eca=
i .brendyn. for letting know about about this simplest tool)<div><br><div>h=
ttp://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mw/index.php/Template:Ralju</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>If you think the template can be made a bit nicer plase let me know=
.</div><div>Anyway, now nothing can stop us from starting to really work on=
 this wiki.</div><div><br><br>On Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:59:32 AM UTC+=
4, la gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;marg=
in-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>On S=
aturday, September 29, 2012 4:57:37 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:<blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br>On Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:15:54 =
PM UTC+4, Marica Odagaki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
>.uisai I'm all for adopting MediaWiki as the official wiki.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>&gt; Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what yo=
u need. Let's make it better than the old one. Together.<br></div><div><br>=
</div><div>I have a few suggestions to make this project better yet:</div><=
div><br></div><div>A. Set short-term goals.</div><div>- 1. Create overview =
pages targeted at newcomers/learning &amp; teaching/etc.</div><div>- 2. Go =
over all the TikiWiki pages and migrate them where necessary.</div><div>&nb=
sp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Last time I checked, there are 2357 of them.</div><div><br=
></div><div><br></div><div>B. Broadly categorize pages.</div><div>- About: =
introduction to the language and organizations</div><div>- Guides: learning=
 materials, faq</div><div>- Documentation: grammar documentation/dictionary=
/<wbr>baseline definition</div><div>- Writings: Lojbanic writings/multimedi=
a/games</div><div>- Encyclopedia of related topics</div><div>- News</div><d=
iv>- Projects</div><div>- Participation guides</div><div>- People</div><div=
>- Proposals</div><div><br></div><div>(Discussions should happen in the "Ta=
lk" side of the page.)</div><div><br></div><div>These are gleaned from a wi=
ki pages categorization project</div><div>I'd been tackling by myself:</div=
><div><a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AqPDUjCrM_c=
fdDI5NzBIMzhCRHZJWGF2Tzl4R245N3c" target=3D"_blank">https://docs.google.com=
/<wbr>spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D<wbr>0AqPDUjCrM_<wbr>cfdDI5NzBIMzhCRHZJWGF2Tzl4=
R245<wbr>N3c</a></div><div><br></div><div>Giving the wiki a minimum structu=
re will help grow it without falling into a chaotic state.</div><div><br></=
div><div><br></div><div>C. Define what goes into the wiki, and state it in =
the wiki.</div><div>- All of the above (in B.)</div><div>- Questions should=
 be asked in the mailing-list first.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><di=
v>Do these sound all good?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>go'isa=
i</div><div><br></div><div>Especially "minimum structure". I don't want <a =
href=3D"http://lojban.org/tiki" target=3D"_blank">lojban.org/tiki</a> to be=
 shut down.</div><div><br></div><div>AND NOW IMPORTANT MESSAGE.</div><div>R=
obin INSTALLED MEDIAWIKI ON HIS SERVER. THE CURRENT ADDRESS IS</div><div><a=
 href=3D"http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mw/index.php/ralju_ckupau" target=
=3D"_blank">http://vrici.lojban.org/~<wbr>gleki/mw/index.php/ralju_<wbr>cku=
pau</a></div><div><br></div><div>Problems that I can see so far:</div><div>=
1. I can't create folders in the root of mediawiki installation. And probab=
ly therefore impossible to upload files.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><=
div>Solved.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><div>2. Not only I should have sftp access to that root folder (who is f=
amiliar with MediaWiki? Whom can we trust?)<br></div><div>3. I haven't foun=
d appropriate extension to localise wiki pages on the fly like it is done i=
n Tiki.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Translate Extension installed=
.&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-lef=
t:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><div>I hope Robin will &nbsp;fix the first problem himself.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>As for the third problem I'm waiting for suggestions.</di=
v><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v></div><div><br></div><div>mu'o</div><div><br></div><br>On Thursday, Septe=
mber 27, 2012 1:23:10 PM UTC+9, la gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;paddin=
g-left:1ex"><br><br>On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:20:20 PM UTC+4, ies=
k wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thank you for the clarifica=
tion.<p>What does the logo in the upper left part of the screen stand for? =
</p></blockquote><div>Well, just 25 years of Lojban, nothing more.</div><di=
v>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-le=
ft:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>Oh, and the openin=
g page is currently filled with some non-Lojban text. Maybe the standard pr=
opaganda ( <a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/la%20lojban.%20mo?no_bl=3D=
y" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/la%<wbr>20lojban.%20mo?no_b=
l=3Dy</a> ) would be fitting?</p><p>iesk</p></blockquote><div><br></div><di=
v><br></div><div>Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what y=
ou need. Let's make it better than the old one. Together.</div></blockquote=
></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div></div>

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