Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:54028) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TVTiY-00054a-Jt; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:56:36 -0800 Received: by mail-vb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id b23sf4809458vbz.16 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:56:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SoRhfW0UYbuYMUur4MvygX3qDFcLFNymMYe5DOl9+xU=; b=V5wDr+ZWNjiY4kH65wJN9lVtkR+vg3997HP/zdI7AHDP9S6W/aqF6gwCWfyk+g8GHE tqL5xUahZHEP65anT2o8jLAwLuCfeqhhJItt+i4+oLSUPsOEDEGNBVUfrlSvfXINEidC LRbJ4wqvWAHajjpo/v+PcQaEQTWp8pJ/rKBVWOLuwWmdyTNHBlzpx0IV0VEW+VAtQ7Y3 wvrx7VV2JtfLfIzcfUE9MIOxts4nEE/Ab0j44zHTAuQHNDOOZ2YM0jZchQLF7SiE1GX0 ejzwP0cgj30bS5eKmh5SE5LfhrO8U28RYmheZdN5YSfL9sV7oy34MMi/tKV6FL8pQosu fOZQ== Received: by 10.50.169.7 with SMTP id aa7mr5499605igc.1.1352148975423; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:56:15 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.106.229 with SMTP id gx5ls9980460igb.3.gmail; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.41.132 with SMTP id f4mr4075635igl.1.1352148974826; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.41.132 with SMTP id f4mr4075634igl.1.1352148974817; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com (mail-ie0-f171.google.com [209.85.223.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s15si1249642igi.1.2012.11.05.12.56.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.223.171; Received: by mail-ie0-f171.google.com with SMTP id s9so9203017iec.2 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.160.166 with SMTP id xl6mr10863501igb.74.1352148974711; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.103] (76-76-236-67.lisco.net. [76.76.236.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wh5sm6493572igb.17.2012.11.05.12.56.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:56:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <509827ED.6040603@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:56:13 -0600 From: vitci'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120912 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating "as" References: <0457f359-c515-465c-8e11-7e12f1d9e6bb@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <0457f359-c515-465c-8e11-7e12f1d9e6bb@googlegroups.com> X-Original-Sender: celestialcognition@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=celestialcognition@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 11/05/2012 01:05 PM, selpa'i wrote: > This construction has come up a lot more recently, and I am drawing a blank > how to translate it. It might not be translatable at all, but maybe someone > has a good solution. Here are some examples using this particular usage of > "as": Probably these will be rendered differently. vlasisku is down atm, but... > (1) I respect you as a friend. Not sure how to interpret this exactly. I respect you because you are a high-quality friend? > (2) I study my dreams as symbolic imagery. I study my dreams using the assumption that my dreams are symbolic imagery. > (3) We kept this day as a holiday. We caused this day to continue (not cease) to be a holiday. > (4) She appeared to them as a fairy this time. On this occasion, she appeared to them in the shape/semblance of a fairy. {simlu lo du'u crida}? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.