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[213.165.64.23]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id z47si3420402eel.0.2012.11.05.13.37.28; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.23; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Nov 2012 21:37:28 -0000 Received: from p57A093E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.147.230] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 05 Nov 2012 22:37:28 +0100 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19CNpk3V9hCnns/xGijpfmPcYOEl+tOfzj5oSUvQ+ NidemXtS7HhS6c Message-ID: <50983198.9070305@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 22:37:28 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating "as" References: <0457f359-c515-465c-8e11-7e12f1d9e6bb@googlegroups.com> <509827ED.6040603@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <509827ED.6040603@gmail.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 05.11.2012 21:56, schrieb vitci'i: > On 11/05/2012 01:05 PM, selpa'i wrote: >> This construction has come up a lot more recently, and I am drawing a bl= ank >> how to translate it. It might not be translatable at all, but maybe some= one >> has a good solution. Here are some examples using this particular usage = of >> "as": > > Probably these will be rendered differently. vlasisku is down atm, but... > >> (1) I respect you as a friend. > > Not sure how to interpret this exactly. I respect you because you are a > high-quality friend? > >> (2) I study my dreams as symbolic imagery. > > I study my dreams using the assumption that my dreams are symbolic imager= y. > >> (3) We kept this day as a holiday. > > We caused this day to continue (not cease) to be a holiday. > >> (4) She appeared to them as a fairy this time. > > On this occasion, she appeared to them in the shape/semblance of a > fairy. {simlu lo du'u crida}? > All these uses of "as" have one thing in common: They talk about the=20 role something has in a situation, or in what way something presents=20 itself to the situation. I feel like there should be a uniform solution,=20 whatever it may be. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.