Received: from mail-yh0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:41556) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TVUe4-0005eh-OB; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:55:54 -0800 Received: by mail-yh0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o21sf4776625yho.16 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:55:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=R4GgP2Tyo/XiyNQ+WyhDYtOL+qK1b60H8kMyTsl1W2Q=; b=Qc9nAdTQKJa8tm1V1i/OdU3UPT8SxbZaztE5D+ABoudVGtOkpZ5NCGPztpIDQkLf5t DT8hSDCGDCjJi11LZHnlpS0JHtlpHevpwZs0I7kNiOu1TWIbAW46DKPf2+XqOhU6jncA fz2L2B0MAfSHXW5MvX9OH9ONBjUk2lLOGES5u+vkjdV5lVlfkOYp7sgTlsTlyl8JRepq bFl8UBDAokAPaqLwvmtdvLtC6yxH0ceZFKLKFIBWcSBfqOxwsTcFo7HbmgE/RXY9mkBg MzqHlSU0xx5lujqRykksCwk6u+71P3PKHj2ks3grynp0R2KeJdAi0svnIlyBe2h8Rr0g R+tw== Received: by 10.68.223.98 with SMTP id qt2mr2602435pbc.20.1352152541907; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:55:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.141.79 with SMTP id rm15ls25862792pbb.1.gmail; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.138.14 with SMTP id qm14mr4182808pbb.5.1352152540520; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.138.14 with SMTP id qm14mr4182807pbb.5.1352152540509; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id uz6si4275320pbc.0.2012.11.05.13.55.39; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Nov 2012 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from p57A093E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.147.230] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 05 Nov 2012 22:55:38 +0100 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+gjTodAVOgtWe8Z9y50hGSZKlxfZu+Zik0lP/4o3 neVwZVZOXVWvg6 Message-ID: <509835DA.7060906@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 22:55:38 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating "as" References: <0457f359-c515-465c-8e11-7e12f1d9e6bb@googlegroups.com> <20121105215019.GI30303@sunflowerriver.org> In-Reply-To: <20121105215019.GI30303@sunflowerriver.org> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 05.11.2012 22:50, schrieb .alyn.post.: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 11:05:53AM -0800, selpa'i wrote: >> This construction has come up a lot more recently, and I am drawing = a >> blank how to translate it. It might not be translatable at all, but = maybe >> someone has a good solution. Here are some examples using this parti= cular >> usage of "as": >> >> (1) I respect you as a friend. >> > > Isn't that poi? =3D> .i mi sinma do poi pendo That assumes that multiple "you"s exist, and only the one who is a=20 friend is respected. I don't think this is generally applicable. {noi} doesn't really have this problem though: "I respect you, a=20 friend." Still, it doesn't quite hit the nail on the head if you look at=20 the other sentences. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.