Received: from mail-la0-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:34168) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TVUlx-0005iW-AW; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:04:01 -0800 Received: by mail-la0-f61.google.com with SMTP id e12sf2495676lag.16 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:03:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zDF3JvPNJUxuf2mhZBPLQ/vOV/AXhSDWN0nIlAR9rko=; b=MMGZqg+Fh0d7kg8Yh4qym/jX8oFML+LF2TJ3W9oMDJ+u7FPpMKm4XCkwIYvSIYw8CN 9UY/MO2aFFsLq1xk+A6KuKPW+zELTqmr6NPgsbH/ytvegW/kKz07a0nroE5ob2b/8ujj sgwhIC8HSXnWpUBx3cBcODLLAyAMIo/q/dxuOKG3PcYvQXgKHBc3N1efKQRg/f51drMd 0GxaSuDlqa9FV6mCmQ5FvyR1eLyt0yFJ11KofpJNn3nawA8iVTPMKnFZ+Il7owt9PdZe Hh3GrxNO2ms89BFSH2QCsjxEbsb4AogSDPQ00EqAuppVfcQa7jfNdTt/oDS3tpmi1kHv cyNw== Received: by 10.216.210.234 with SMTP id u84mr359386weo.79.1352153028460; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:03:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.223.193 with SMTP id v41ls4796931eep.3.gmail; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:03:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.216.7 with SMTP id f7mr10778124eep.4.1352153027843; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:03:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.216.7 with SMTP id f7mr10778122eep.4.1352153027834; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:03:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.23]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id z47si3431592eel.0.2012.11.05.14.03.47; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:03:47 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.23; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Nov 2012 22:03:47 -0000 Received: from p57A093E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.147.230] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 05 Nov 2012 23:03:47 +0100 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/N8fxZvsjNJTmUMmmKrOK4nVIjD2Ws1YW+TVr5sL U4Bqly6p7JZ6TO Message-ID: <509837C3.5030207@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:03:47 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating "as" References: <0457f359-c515-465c-8e11-7e12f1d9e6bb@googlegroups.com> <509827ED.6040603@gmail.com> <50983198.9070305@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <50983198.9070305@gmx.de> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 05.11.2012 22:37, schrieb selpa'i: > All these uses of "as" have one thing in common: They talk about the > role something has in a situation, or in what way something presents > itself to the situation. I feel like there should be a uniform solution, > whatever it may be. Figuring out what exactly it means in English is the first step. I don't=20 know what exactly it means at its core, otherwise finding a lojban=20 equivalent would be easy. Two more examples: (5) Lojban as a foreign language. (6) "Express" as a noun also exists, but has a different meaning. Here, the "role" character of this construction comes out quite clearly=20 in my opinion, so maybe this is the right direction... Something like a BAI like "... with role" / "... in role" / "in it's=20 role as". Which means that all that's needed is the right brivla and we're done. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.