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Vlasisku is back up, for me at any rate.

The best generic "role" BAI I can find is ci'e, which is the ciste modal.

Looking up "role" or its synoyms "function"and "faculty" finds nothing
useful.

"Occupation" and "job" both find jibri, but they aren't close enough to the
sense of "role" for this purpose.

Based on my 5-minutes of research, it seems we might need to make a new
word, and I don't think we can get the desired meaning with lujvo, so that
leaves fu'ivla or gismu.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:03 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> Am 05.11.2012 22:37, schrieb selpa'i:
>
>  All these uses of "as" have one thing in common: They talk about the
>> role something has in a situation, or in what way something presents
>> itself to the situation. I feel like there should be a uniform solution,
>> whatever it may be.
>>
>
> Figuring out what exactly it means in English is the first step. I don't
> know what exactly it means at its core, otherwise finding a lojban
> equivalent would be easy.
>
> Two more examples:
>
> (5) Lojban as a foreign language.
>
> (6) "Express" as a noun also exists, but has a different meaning.
>
> Here, the "role" character of this construction comes out quite clearly i=
n
> my opinion, so maybe this is the right direction...
>
> Something like a BAI like "... with role" / "... in role" / "in it's role
> as".
>
> Which means that all that's needed is the right brivla and we're done.
>
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
> --
> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
>
> do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
>    .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
> ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
>    .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
> gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
>    .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku
>
>
> .
>
>
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Vlasisku is back up, for me at any rate.<br><br>The best generic &quot;role=
&quot; BAI I can find is ci&#39;e, which is the ciste modal.<br><br>Looking=
 up &quot;role&quot; or its synoyms &quot;function&quot;and &quot;faculty&q=
uot; finds nothing useful.<br>
<br>&quot;Occupation&quot; and &quot;job&quot; both find jibri, but they ar=
en&#39;t close enough to the sense of &quot;role&quot; for this purpose.<br=
><br>Based on my 5-minutes of research, it seems we might need to make a ne=
w word, and I don&#39;t think we can get the desired meaning with lujvo, so=
 that leaves fu&#39;ivla or gismu.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:03 PM, selpa&#39;i =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">s=
eladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Am 05.11.2012 22:37, schrieb selpa&#39;i:<div class=3D"im"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
All these uses of &quot;as&quot; have one thing in common: They talk about =
the<br>
role something has in a situation, or in what way something presents<br>
itself to the situation. I feel like there should be a uniform solution,<br=
>
whatever it may be.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Figuring out what exactly it means in English is the first step. I don&#39;=
t know what exactly it means at its core, otherwise finding a lojban equiva=
lent would be easy.<br>
<br>
Two more examples:<br>
<br>
(5) Lojban as a foreign language.<br>
<br>
(6) &quot;Express&quot; as a noun also exists, but has a different meaning.=
<br>
<br>
Here, the &quot;role&quot; character of this construction comes out quite c=
learly in my opinion, so maybe this is the right direction...<br>
<br>
Something like a BAI like &quot;... with role&quot; / &quot;... in role&quo=
t; / &quot;in it&#39;s role as&quot;.<br>
<br>
Which means that all that&#39;s needed is the right brivla and we&#39;re do=
ne.<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<br>
<br>
-- <br>
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo<br>
<br>
do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC&#39;u<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do c=C3=A0tlu ki&#39;u<br>
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi<br>
gi&#39;e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku<br>
<br>
<br>
.<br>
<br>
<br>
.<br>
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