Received: from mail-da0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:48765) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TVXw2-00077Q-0v; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:26:45 -0800 Received: by mail-da0-f61.google.com with SMTP id k18sf4899410dae.16 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:26:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=g1csQ0rEixIhQmOh0VruQMVUQ8unsDwgUJu+dqfYFY4=; b=jC2XG1J0F06ZqXwl3OP+l4Ub3EmE4K0wlGEChG3QfXBgd3ScqbcQ54k1zhMM4IZQgb 2Ppc1ghcSWifKCeIXaIM8TnyD1DGyBqPuNzBEKxthv8+2e522xeHiQ+6hlYnTuW8tIS2 TX5YLGpIFGYmhYKrL+7KrM8vhJ9DGUSOkpqTCSg8fewkA6Ow/0yBsaN7WJslfdde9C41 rZwT9MBvLa+d+ryXAahAeI1dgFPnaqaQwobB1NljbXrpK2ILwdzrYudXwKnhG7Uwux20 rCrEjZgv1eFucekLW+pA1k+MZ4xew1OUy3dSBbSPubnpD/qdwetlZ5/+uGs1XEcXNnGT mEdQ== Received: by 10.52.76.36 with SMTP id h4mr1842436vdw.17.1352165187036; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:26:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.226.7 with SMTP id iu7ls6084973vcb.6.gmail; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.132.145 with SMTP id ou17mr4005464veb.41.1352165186581; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.132.145 with SMTP id ou17mr4005463veb.41.1352165186567; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bn19si2201327vdb.0.2012.11.05.17.26.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.172; Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id fl11so8387181vcb.3 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.139.136 with SMTP id qy8mr9947019vdb.39.1352165186110; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:26:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.89.84 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:26:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0457f359-c515-465c-8e11-7e12f1d9e6bb@googlegroups.com> References: <0457f359-c515-465c-8e11-7e12f1d9e6bb@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:26:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating "as" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51b9d0d98869904cdc97de6 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec51b9d0d98869904cdc97de6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 5 November 2012 14:05, selpa'i wrote: > This construction has come up a lot more recently, and I am drawing a > blank how to translate it. It might not be translatable at all, but maybe > someone has a good solution. Here are some examples using this particular > usage of "as": > > (1) I respect you as a friend. > .i mi do sinma sekai lo ka pendo -- it looks like a case of srana3 to me. > > (2) I study my dreams as symbolic imagery. > > .i mi lo selsne cu tadni co lanli fi lo ka jinvi lo du'u sinxa pixra -- unsure for "symbolic imagery" > (3) We kept this day as a holiday. > > .i ma'a jdice lo du'u lo selde'i ca'o nalgundei > (4) She appeared to them as a fairy this time. > > .i ca lo me lo cabna (le caku zo'o) moi sy fi ty. tolcanci co tarmi simlu lo ka crida > I've tried a few things, among other things {kai} and {fi'o tarmi}, but > I'm not content. Suggestions and ideas are welcome. > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/eW5-mW44AdUJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec51b9d0d98869904cdc97de6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5 November 2012 14:05, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
This construction has come up a lot more recently, and I am drawing a blank= how to translate it. It might not be translatable at all, but maybe someon= e has a good solution. Here are some examples using this particular usage o= f "as":

(1) I respect you as a friend.

.i m= i do sinma sekai lo ka pendo -- it looks like a case of srana3 to me.
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(2) I study my dreams as symbolic imagery.

.i mi lo selsne cu tadni co lanli fi lo ka jinvi lo du'u si= nxa pixra -- unsure for "symbolic imagery"
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(3) We kept this day as a holiday.


= .i ma'a jdice lo du'u lo selde'i ca'o nalgundei
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(4) She appeared to them as a fairy this time.

.i ca lo me lo cabna (le caku zo'o) moi sy fi ty. tolcanci = co tarmi simlu lo ka crida
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