Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:33354) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TVc2H-0000R2-Q5; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:49:34 -0800 Received: by mail-qc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id c11sf72856qca.16 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:49:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=g9I2oQeUEWcRHW8hbx6Ks804RIx0BZavPB8Z4rFWFUs=; b=sn7xVQWsYiK+nGIBu+eHseTFLHOv+PK48dGBuW+evoaeznNGTbMhWIFSqKV0RMZ4DU Y5f5TFs2+V1E20+QbydyxYfGhNTaUUEXQjmZmHDdVe9l3uXCpooFiQZMjyOX5llWQLOD NVpQi13TZxR94gqnS5SjORs8AqvTWdoMYAjHQdOMon29TRi3j7rvBVd4GJbN3IC1dBzq 53KKsOlbbxYwrrrZwCYAqIN7K6cb+rt/aq3AiXIdbU9zwW7pfX+mqDhkrJb1aKT0LcH4 htuQ9FhEY279WYp16PfeeIVj5T5VmCnwg3JxDS186h/Y9SyAOSAdApnCLvKhgfmqz0hE MiiA== Received: by 10.52.20.51 with SMTP id k19mr1907519vde.4.1352180951014; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:49:11 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.67.52 with SMTP id k20ls6246274vdt.1.gmail; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.72.133 with SMTP id d5mr1862992vdv.16.1352180950589; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:49:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 21:49:10 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <75e248bd-5f19-4528-8b2a-f6360bca7e2f@googlegroups.com> <3e6ec3ab-6f44-42b2-a255-8d5f1a2b5444@googlegroups.com> <609a986d-438d-41b0-89ce-bb3788885c04@googlegroups.com> <7c00388b-7a75-4c50-94c7-8fe780ed7849@googlegroups.com> <763ae57a-a53d-4e0a-a042-99e282ec411f@googlegroups.com> <98ac3a8c-7f91-4049-a8ee-128f9a947671@googlegroups.com> <60b24557-d28a-4330-91e2-4fa350f35cbd@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1237_8661661.1352180950149" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1237_8661661.1352180950149 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The wiki has moved to http://mw.lojban.org/ On Monday, November 5, 2012 5:22:48 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: > > Now Mediawiki has full support for localising any given page to another > language. The solution is not ideal, it uses a simple template (anyway, > ki'ecai .brendyn. for letting know about about this simplest tool) > > http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mw/index.php/Template:Ralju > > If you think the template can be made a bit nicer plase let me know. > Anyway, now nothing can stop us from starting to really work on this wiki. > > > On Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:59:32 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:57:37 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:15:54 PM UTC+4, Marica Odagaki wrote: >>>> >>>> .uisai I'm all for adopting MediaWiki as the official wiki. >>>> >>>> > Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. >>>> Let's make it better than the old one. Together. >>>> >>>> I have a few suggestions to make this project better yet: >>>> >>>> A. Set short-term goals. >>>> - 1. Create overview pages targeted at newcomers/learning & >>>> teaching/etc. >>>> - 2. Go over all the TikiWiki pages and migrate them where necessary. >>>> Last time I checked, there are 2357 of them. >>>> >>>> >>>> B. Broadly categorize pages. >>>> - About: introduction to the language and organizations >>>> - Guides: learning materials, faq >>>> - Documentation: grammar documentation/dictionary/baseline definition >>>> - Writings: Lojbanic writings/multimedia/games >>>> - Encyclopedia of related topics >>>> - News >>>> - Projects >>>> - Participation guides >>>> - People >>>> - Proposals >>>> >>>> (Discussions should happen in the "Talk" side of the page.) >>>> >>>> These are gleaned from a wiki pages categorization project >>>> I'd been tackling by myself: >>>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqPDUjCrM_cfdDI5NzBIMzhCRHZJWGF2Tzl4R245N3c >>>> >>>> Giving the wiki a minimum structure will help grow it without falling >>>> into a chaotic state. >>>> >>>> >>>> C. Define what goes into the wiki, and state it in the wiki. >>>> - All of the above (in B.) >>>> - Questions should be asked in the mailing-list first. >>>> >>>> >>>> Do these sound all good? >>>> >>> >>> go'isai >>> >>> Especially "minimum structure". I don't want lojban.org/tiki to be shut >>> down. >>> >>> AND NOW IMPORTANT MESSAGE. >>> Robin INSTALLED MEDIAWIKI ON HIS SERVER. THE CURRENT ADDRESS IS >>> http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mw/index.php/ralju_ckupau >>> >>> Problems that I can see so far: >>> 1. I can't create folders in the root of mediawiki installation. And >>> probably therefore impossible to upload files. >>> >> >> Solved. >> >> 2. Not only I should have sftp access to that root folder (who is >>> familiar with MediaWiki? Whom can we trust?) >>> 3. I haven't found appropriate extension to localise wiki pages on the >>> fly like it is done in Tiki. >>> >> >> Translate Extension installed. >> >>> >>> >>> I hope Robin will fix the first problem himself. >>> >>> As for the third problem I'm waiting for suggestions. >>> >>> >>> >>>> mu'o >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:23:10 PM UTC+9, la gleki wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:20:20 PM UTC+4, iesk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for the clarification. >>>>>> >>>>>> What does the logo in the upper left part of the screen stand for? >>>>>> >>>>> Well, just 25 years of Lojban, nothing more. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Oh, and the opening page is currently filled with some non-Lojban >>>>>> text. Maybe the standard propaganda ( >>>>>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/la%20lojban.%20mo?no_bl=y ) would be >>>>>> fitting? >>>>>> >>>>>> iesk >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. >>>>> Let's make it better than the old one. Together. >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/70j9AFxDbtwJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_1237_8661661.1352180950149 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The wiki has moved to http://mw.lojban.org/

On Monday, November= 5, 2012 5:22:48 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
Now Mediawiki has full support for localising any given page to= another language. The solution is not ideal, it uses a simple template (an= yway, ki'ecai .brendyn. for letting know about about this simplest tool)

If you think the template c= an be made a bit nicer plase let me know.
Anyway, now nothing can= stop us from starting to really work on this wiki.


On Th= ursday, October 4, 2012 11:59:32 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:


On Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:57:37 PM U= TC+4, la gleki wrote:


On Sat= urday, September 29, 2012 12:15:54 PM UTC+4, Marica Odagaki wrote:
.uisai I'm all for adopting MediaWiki a= s the official wiki.

> Please, develop the wiki= , edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. Let's make it better than the ol= d one. Together.

I have a few suggestions to m= ake this project better yet:

A. Set short-term goa= ls.
- 1. Create overview pages targeted at newcomers/learning &am= p; teaching/etc.
- 2. Go over all the TikiWiki pages and migrate = them where necessary.
     Last time I checked, th= ere are 2357 of them.


B. Broadly ca= tegorize pages.
- About: introduction to the language and organiz= ations
- Guides: learning materials, faq
- Documentatio= n: grammar documentation/dictionary/baseline definition
- Wr= itings: Lojbanic writings/multimedia/games
- Encyclopedia of rela= ted topics
- News
- Projects
- Participation = guides
- People
- Proposals

(D= iscussions should happen in the "Talk" side of the page.)

These are gleaned from a wiki pages categorization project
I'd been tackling by myself:

Giving the wiki a minimum structure will help grow it without falling int= o a chaotic state.


C. Define what g= oes into the wiki, and state it in the wiki.
- All of the above (= in B.)
- Questions should be asked in the mailing-list first.


Do these sound all good?

go'isai

Especially "m= inimum structure". I don't want lojban.org/tiki to be shut down.

A= ND NOW IMPORTANT MESSAGE.
Robin INSTALLED MEDIAWIKI ON HIS SERVER= . THE CURRENT ADDRESS IS

Problem= s that I can see so far:
1. I can't create folders in the root of= mediawiki installation. And probably therefore impossible to upload files.=

Solved. 

2. Not only I should have sftp a= ccess to that root folder (who is familiar with MediaWiki? Whom can we trus= t?)
3. I haven't found appropriate extension to localise wiki= pages on the fly like it is done in Tiki.

Translate Extension installed. 


I hope Robin will  fix= the first problem himself.

As for the third probl= em I'm waiting for suggestions.



mu'o


On Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:23:10 PM UTC+9, la gleki= wrote:


On Wednesday, Septem= ber 26, 2012 10:20:20 PM UTC+4, iesk wrote:
Thank you for the clarification.

What does the logo in the upper = left part of the screen stand for?

Well, just 25 year= s of Lojban, nothing more.
 

Oh, and the opening page is currently filled with some non= -Lojban text. Maybe the standard propaganda ( http://www.lojban.o= rg/tiki/la%20lojban.%20mo?no_bl=3Dy ) would be fitting?

iesk=



Please, develop the wik= i, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. Let's make it better than the o= ld one. Together.
=

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