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[76.76.236.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id az4sm8729939igb.2.2012.11.06.05.51.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:51:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <509915E7.4000407@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 07:51:35 -0600 From: vitci'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120912 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating "as" References: <0457f359-c515-465c-8e11-7e12f1d9e6bb@googlegroups.com> <509827ED.6040603@gmail.com> <50983198.9070305@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <50983198.9070305@gmx.de> X-Original-Sender: celestialcognition@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=celestialcognition@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 11/05/2012 03:37 PM, selpa'i wrote: > Am 05.11.2012 21:56, schrieb vitci'i: >> On 11/05/2012 01:05 PM, selpa'i wrote: >>> This construction has come up a lot more recently, and I am drawing a blank >>> how to translate it. It might not be translatable at all, but maybe someone >>> has a good solution. Here are some examples using this particular usage of >>> "as": >> >> Probably these will be rendered differently. vlasisku is down atm, but... >> >>> (1) I respect you as a friend. >> >> Not sure how to interpret this exactly. I respect you because you are a >> high-quality friend? >> >>> (2) I study my dreams as symbolic imagery. >> >> I study my dreams using the assumption that my dreams are symbolic imagery. >> >>> (3) We kept this day as a holiday. >> >> We caused this day to continue (not cease) to be a holiday. >> >>> (4) She appeared to them as a fairy this time. >> >> On this occasion, she appeared to them in the shape/semblance of a >> fairy. {simlu lo du'u crida}? >> > > All these uses of "as" have one thing in common: They talk about the > role something has in a situation, or in what way something presents > itself to the situation. I feel like there should be a uniform solution, > whatever it may be. > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i Perhaps you could use {sumti} somehow. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.