Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:38899) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TVzhy-0002nS-EF; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:06:05 -0800 Received: by mail-qc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id c11sf928923qca.16 for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:05:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+rGiG+UUcDDomlEllDs68WSzuF1YIJVdIAM0EcULITY=; b=Ii//I7l3kcPIK9ZYQMi7K8TVFi5SrSnEUScxYqqTwpODaa1XgEvxBS50msLaO8g0Hh gsyGDv7ajRNqxxmC5T+7XLI578ySIMth2F9eqZ9xWTkzcVZPE2huSwAoxLqHywSc0191 V5xQaFXntyi+6N4+wOKhJJDBL8XWgTNH+P3EU6j9orAiQfb41N/nmR096nGwDVTekyde xHoQNyHAcf+wWPrSrFdGu8XaE2qdHVdAdyp/YxdKjRWxN/4BdB/vnVUMyQ9juyVceeoo nCVUO+qa14zXLC/vukNLxD6JGwQXMLfzOVQPu05+8Nk4GTS7WIRAvML9CZaafEAwnPrx u2ew== Received: by 10.52.91.168 with SMTP id cf8mr796312vdb.6.1352271947520; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:05:47 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.89.80 with SMTP id bm16ls1456611vdb.9.gmail; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.66.235 with SMTP id i11mr800093vdt.7.1352271946959; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:05:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 23:05:46 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <031b0b7d-6892-44ae-bf20-e76c51b93a21@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <75e248bd-5f19-4528-8b2a-f6360bca7e2f@googlegroups.com> <3e6ec3ab-6f44-42b2-a255-8d5f1a2b5444@googlegroups.com> <609a986d-438d-41b0-89ce-bb3788885c04@googlegroups.com> <7c00388b-7a75-4c50-94c7-8fe780ed7849@googlegroups.com> <763ae57a-a53d-4e0a-a042-99e282ec411f@googlegroups.com> <98ac3a8c-7f91-4049-a8ee-128f9a947671@googlegroups.com> <60b24557-d28a-4330-91e2-4fa350f35cbd@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1256_13658502.1352271946186" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1256_13658502.1352271946186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Translate Extension has been tuned up (ki'e entot !). Using this extension you can translate the content of any page into other languages. If we ever move the CLL, Wave lessons and L4B to this wiki you will be able to translate them chunk by chunk to other languages that you speak. Note that if the source is changed the extension notices this and inform that the translation to another language is out of date. This is how we can put speakers of all languages (not only English) in equal conditions when learning Lojban. On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 9:49:10 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: > > The wiki has moved to http://mw.lojban.org/ > > On Monday, November 5, 2012 5:22:48 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >> >> Now Mediawiki has full support for localising any given page to another >> language. The solution is not ideal, it uses a simple template (anyway, >> ki'ecai .brendyn. for letting know about about this simplest tool) >> >> http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mw/index.php/Template:Ralju >> >> If you think the template can be made a bit nicer plase let me know. >> Anyway, now nothing can stop us from starting to really work on this wiki. >> >> >> On Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:59:32 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:57:37 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:15:54 PM UTC+4, Marica Odagaki wrote: >>>>> >>>>> .uisai I'm all for adopting MediaWiki as the official wiki. >>>>> >>>>> > Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. >>>>> Let's make it better than the old one. Together. >>>>> >>>>> I have a few suggestions to make this project better yet: >>>>> >>>>> A. Set short-term goals. >>>>> - 1. Create overview pages targeted at newcomers/learning & >>>>> teaching/etc. >>>>> - 2. Go over all the TikiWiki pages and migrate them where necessary. >>>>> Last time I checked, there are 2357 of them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> B. Broadly categorize pages. >>>>> - About: introduction to the language and organizations >>>>> - Guides: learning materials, faq >>>>> - Documentation: grammar documentation/dictionary/baseline definition >>>>> - Writings: Lojbanic writings/multimedia/games >>>>> - Encyclopedia of related topics >>>>> - News >>>>> - Projects >>>>> - Participation guides >>>>> - People >>>>> - Proposals >>>>> >>>>> (Discussions should happen in the "Talk" side of the page.) >>>>> >>>>> These are gleaned from a wiki pages categorization project >>>>> I'd been tackling by myself: >>>>> >>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqPDUjCrM_cfdDI5NzBIMzhCRHZJWGF2Tzl4R245N3c >>>>> >>>>> Giving the wiki a minimum structure will help grow it without falling >>>>> into a chaotic state. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> C. Define what goes into the wiki, and state it in the wiki. >>>>> - All of the above (in B.) >>>>> - Questions should be asked in the mailing-list first. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do these sound all good? >>>>> >>>> >>>> go'isai >>>> >>>> Especially "minimum structure". I don't want lojban.org/tiki to be >>>> shut down. >>>> >>>> AND NOW IMPORTANT MESSAGE. >>>> Robin INSTALLED MEDIAWIKI ON HIS SERVER. THE CURRENT ADDRESS IS >>>> http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mw/index.php/ralju_ckupau >>>> >>>> Problems that I can see so far: >>>> 1. I can't create folders in the root of mediawiki installation. And >>>> probably therefore impossible to upload files. >>>> >>> >>> Solved. >>> >>> 2. Not only I should have sftp access to that root folder (who is >>>> familiar with MediaWiki? Whom can we trust?) >>>> 3. I haven't found appropriate extension to localise wiki pages on the >>>> fly like it is done in Tiki. >>>> >>> >>> Translate Extension installed. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope Robin will fix the first problem himself. >>>> >>>> As for the third problem I'm waiting for suggestions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> mu'o >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:23:10 PM UTC+9, la gleki wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:20:20 PM UTC+4, iesk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for the clarification. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What does the logo in the upper left part of the screen stand for? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Well, just 25 years of Lojban, nothing more. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, and the opening page is currently filled with some non-Lojban >>>>>>> text. Maybe the standard propaganda ( >>>>>>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/la%20lojban.%20mo?no_bl=y ) would be >>>>>>> fitting? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> iesk >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. >>>>>> Let's make it better than the old one. Together. >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/2qiOP1A6weoJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_1256_13658502.1352271946186 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Translate Extension has been tuned up (ki'e entot !).

Using th= is extension you can translate the content of any page into other languages= .
If we ever move the CLL, Wave lessons and L4B to this wiki you = will be able to translate them chunk by chunk to other languages that you s= peak.
Note that if the source is changed the extension notices th= is and inform that the translation to another language is out of date.
This is how we can put speakers  of all languages (not only Engl= ish) in equal conditions when learning Lojban.


On Tuesday= , November 6, 2012 9:49:10 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
The wiki has moved to http://mw.lojban.org/

On Monday, Novem= ber 5, 2012 5:22:48 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
Now Mediawiki has full support for localising any given page to a= nother language. The solution is not ideal, it uses a simple template (anyw= ay, ki'ecai .brendyn. for letting know about about this simplest tool)
=

If you think the template can= be made a bit nicer plase let me know.
Anyway, now nothing can s= top us from starting to really work on this wiki.


On Thur= sday, October 4, 2012 11:59:32 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:


On Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:57:37 PM U= TC+4, la gleki wrote:


On Sat= urday, September 29, 2012 12:15:54 PM UTC+4, Marica Odagaki wrote:
.uisai I'm all for adopting MediaWiki a= s the official wiki.

> Please, develop the wiki= , edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. Let's make it better than the ol= d one. Together.

I have a few suggestions to m= ake this project better yet:

A. Set short-term goa= ls.
- 1. Create overview pages targeted at newcomers/learning &am= p; teaching/etc.
- 2. Go over all the TikiWiki pages and migrate = them where necessary.
     Last time I checked, th= ere are 2357 of them.


B. Broadly ca= tegorize pages.
- About: introduction to the language and organiz= ations
- Guides: learning materials, faq
- Documentatio= n: grammar documentation/dictionary/baseline definition
- Wr= itings: Lojbanic writings/multimedia/games
- Encyclopedia of rela= ted topics
- News
- Projects
- Participation = guides
- People
- Proposals

(D= iscussions should happen in the "Talk" side of the page.)

These are gleaned from a wiki pages categorization project
I'd been tackling by myself:

Giving the wiki a minimum structure will help grow it without falling int= o a chaotic state.


C. Define what g= oes into the wiki, and state it in the wiki.
- All of the above (= in B.)
- Questions should be asked in the mailing-list first.


Do these sound all good?

go'isai

Especially "m= inimum structure". I don't want lojban.org/tiki to be shut down.

A= ND NOW IMPORTANT MESSAGE.
Robin INSTALLED MEDIAWIKI ON HIS SERVER= . THE CURRENT ADDRESS IS

Problem= s that I can see so far:
1. I can't create folders in the root of= mediawiki installation. And probably therefore impossible to upload files.=

Solved. 

2. Not only I should have sftp a= ccess to that root folder (who is familiar with MediaWiki? Whom can we trus= t?)
3. I haven't found appropriate extension to localise wiki= pages on the fly like it is done in Tiki.

Translate Extension installed. 


I hope Robin will  fix= the first problem himself.

As for the third probl= em I'm waiting for suggestions.



mu'o


On Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:23:10 PM UTC+9, la gleki= wrote:


On Wednesday, Septem= ber 26, 2012 10:20:20 PM UTC+4, iesk wrote:
Thank you for the clarification.

What does the logo in the upper = left part of the screen stand for?

Well, just 25 year= s of Lojban, nothing more.
 

Oh, and the opening page is currently filled with some non= -Lojban text. Maybe the standard propaganda ( http://www.lojban.o= rg/tiki/la%20lojban.%20mo?no_bl=3Dy ) would be fitting?

iesk=



Please, develop the wik= i, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. Let's make it better than the o= ld one. Together.
=

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