Received: from mail-ia0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:37224) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TW74i-0007Si-HY; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 06:58:00 -0800 Received: by mail-ia0-f189.google.com with SMTP id h11sf1381656iae.16 for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 06:57:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=GmG0GYSmBJpr9PRg4P6RJAG36dArisY+JomSoaybMsU=; b=p4eV7/tikA1ogWYY207dlafLEa+mdNjvNAyM+Xq3NyGdFNjqYoBSxlBUBL04WrQSN2 3PjoPjUJFKHH0RrK5Oo7nGJUhMV9lqixOS8a6VZEKT7yifa+aeJUwlEjUwxMyTE7y5jK cnu/DBJIr40Fm0Lqrdf2xgAPpQME1Sx0hzidjdyIgqE9e4E7jr4yl0TLVGIr8BNsqN2d 6HMNBEG3IKTvgcsfCHuqJ2NNZhYvZwxvzW2VASMTcTt8QgNttzSyp9a+/yr+M5q8cjo/ JtIDavaBg1qRzBO2PpAXettToERnFD7rU6bh1A6pB7olHBg/z3W761EZq8zijgqVjFV2 ymig== Received: by 10.52.91.109 with SMTP id cd13mr1003420vdb.15.1352300265150; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 06:57:45 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.156.210 with SMTP id y18ls1850424vcw.2.gmail; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 06:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.37.12 with SMTP id u12mr1025783vdj.8.1352300264687; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 06:57:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 06:57:44 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <509A7304.1010905@gmx.de> References: <50991340.9030209@gmx.de> <509A7304.1010905@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'i} vs. {fa'a} MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3036_6175298.1352300264266" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_3036_6175298.1352300264266 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 6:41:11 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote: > > Upon further reflection, I have concluded that only the event=20 > interpretation makes sense, so=20 > > mi zutse zo'i lo rirxe=20 > > would expand to=20 > > lo nu mi zutse cu tolragve lo rirxe [lo manri]=20 > > "I'm sitting on this/the same side of the river."=20 > Which tags refer to an arguments and which refer to the bridi? Is there a table of tags classified by this distinction? > The proposed BPFK definition lacks this manri, but I feel like it should= =20 > be there, overridable by context and ki. So my proposed definition would= =20 > be:=20 > > zo'i =3D=3D fi'o se tolragve be fi lo manri=20 > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i=20 > > > --=20 > pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo=20 > > do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u=20 > .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u=20 > ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu=20 > .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi=20 > gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi=20 > .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku=20 > > > .=20 > > > .=20 > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/Fu8zoRQh1t0J. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_3036_6175298.1352300264266 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 6:41:11 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:Upon further reflection, I have co= ncluded that only the event=20
interpretation makes sense, so

mi zutse zo'i lo rirxe

would expand to

lo nu mi zutse cu tolragve lo rirxe [lo manri]

"I'm sitting on this/the same side of the river."

Which tags refer to an arguments and w= hich refer to the bridi?
Is there a table of tags classified by t= his distinction?


The proposed BPFK definition lacks this manri, but I feel like it shoul= d=20
be there, overridable by context and ki. So my proposed definition woul= d be:

zo'i =3D=3D fi'o se tolragve be fi lo manri

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i


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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
    .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
    .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
    .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku


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