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Am 11.11.2012 01:19, schrieb Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas:
> For the general case, I think you need, as you already proposed, a
> selbri that means something like "x1 qua x2 is/does x3".
>
> Making x3 the main bridi with "qua" as a tag has the same sort of
> problems that "zmadu" has, since you want to distinguish:
>
> I give you this as your friend.
> I give you this as a present.
> I give you this as my friend.
>
> where in each case the "as"-term is linked to a different argument. So
> it seems to me the best thing is either use a selbri meaning "qua" in
> the main bridi, or make a lujvo (like the -mau lujvo) that already
> selects which argument is being qualified.

I think you can attach the "qua" tag with a {be} or {pe} to attach it to=20
one of the arguments. The problem right now is just that no such selbri=20
exists, and I don't know what to do about that. It's somewhat urgent=20
that this word be made, but at the same time, making new gismu is not=20
easily accepted.

Since this concept seems so widely applicable, it would seem to be=20
useful to have a gismu for it that begins with x, so that one of the=20
remaining experimentals of the xV'V series can be used as its BAI.

I just don't want to go too far on my own only to be forced later to=20
undo everything.

Also, the current theatre project from the other thread is a place where=20
this construction is required and I have to finish it by this Monday.=20
I'm not sure what to do now...

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i


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do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
    .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
    .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
    .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku


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