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[213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id uz6si560324pbc.0.2012.11.10.17.09.21; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:09:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Nov 2012 01:09:20 -0000 Received: from p57A09565.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.149.101] by mail.gmx.net (mp030) with SMTP; 11 Nov 2012 02:09:20 +0100 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19Qo3VJn3FQ1yzGTpJ+Dx9sCG7hL9+mgUBtJFSuRJ o7dxAD/exDM0yM Message-ID: <509EFAC4.2080208@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 02:09:24 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating "as" References: <0457f359-c515-465c-8e11-7e12f1d9e6bb@googlegroups.com> <509827ED.6040603@gmail.com> <50983198.9070305@gmx.de> <509837C3.5030207@gmx.de> <50984A9B.1010806@gmx.de> <509EDCFC.8070504@gmx.de> <509EF14D.8000403@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Am 11.11.2012 01:50, schrieb Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM, selpa'i wrote: >> >> I think you can attach the "qua" tag with a {be} or {pe} to attach it to= one >> of the arguments. > > If you are happy with "pe" for that, then you don't need anything else: I meant something analogous to "lo broda be bai ko'a" and "ko'a pe bai=20 ko'e". > xu zo menli poi cmene cu melbi do > > "poi" would be used to restrict to a particular aspect or capacity of > an individual rather than to some particular individual(s) from a set. > (That sort of matches the etymology of "qua" too.) That is a possible solution, yes. It has been proposed before in this=20 thread, and it's actually a usage I've never had anything against. I've=20 used it in some texts myself. The reason why I didn't go for it here is=20 that I felt like something was missing, but it's hard to pin down what. I will think about it. Even though it seems to be lacking something,=20 it's very simple and it will (have to) do for the time being. (The proposed gismu would still be useful regardless.) mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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