Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:46461) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TXVCq-0008JS-UP; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 02:56:10 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f189.google.com with SMTP id 16sf4438867obc.16 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 02:55:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1cDPiPyULFt75ND2rhDjTqO938ERACTVQfiNSCIS96Y=; b=c/R9/48mdsaJyfRlsgaPveWvZuhYbYYIqn1cLcJOoso2/fEwJDZ+ixSiczYpJRlQvL MrJ4pNuwL3F97tSnoEowDDhGEhBSKgqohiElPixOalTcnzSsb17MPHCOva2+9FWq1Eii eFV9vqxAD2StuxebONy38HEISQdMdKMARmsjM1sS/wbF6oM9sFhcot9WtYuOHTn1Xznf O4RdxUUVTKsPHTaaEJunEU8kCoTGmrnf/VWQx0InopVJstd123auwTCmQZBRgvzybr80 u35XCTL1xr2P452U0A7JfiBdw4n86ctTTsT7vjKV8Yw5vGEB+3SnT8kz0i8ZZ0oKj/6u id3Q== Received: by 10.236.143.241 with SMTP id l77mr2107828yhj.10.1352631353985; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 02:55:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.132.114 with SMTP id n78ls8100835yhi.9.gmail; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 02:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.79.7 with SMTP id h7mr2117413yhe.2.1352631352638; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 02:55:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 02:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <37bac651-5831-4a0d-9766-77c6f88e658a@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <773B907C-5229-42FA-A937-D5BA292A6E2C@gmail.com> References: <75e248bd-5f19-4528-8b2a-f6360bca7e2f@googlegroups.com> <3e6ec3ab-6f44-42b2-a255-8d5f1a2b5444@googlegroups.com> <609a986d-438d-41b0-89ce-bb3788885c04@googlegroups.com> <7c00388b-7a75-4c50-94c7-8fe780ed7849@googlegroups.com> <763ae57a-a53d-4e0a-a042-99e282ec411f@googlegroups.com> <98ac3a8c-7f91-4049-a8ee-128f9a947671@googlegroups.com> <60b24557-d28a-4330-91e2-4fa350f35cbd@googlegroups.com> <031b0b7d-6892-44ae-bf20-e76c51b93a21@googlegroups.com> <0ef2b6e2-db09-4379-9167-3f49889d70d6@googlegroups.com> <773B907C-5229-42FA-A937-D5BA292A6E2C@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1240_18987852.1352631351105" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1240_18987852.1352631351105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sunday, November 11, 2012 1:24:41 PM UTC+4, jongausib wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday, November 10, 2012 10:36:58 PM UTC+4, jongausib wrote: >> >> I really like the idea of having a better website for lojban .ausai >> I'm not a computer programmer, I often feel a bit limited when I discuss >> things in english (no one out there who can translate from swedish to >> english for me? ;) > > .e'u mi'o tavla bau lo jbobau vau u'iru'e > > >> , I don't have much time (but I really like constructing lujvos >> (systematically; subject by subject), so I'm probably going to contribute >> in that way a loot in the future). >> >> Anyhow, I've just got some proposals for your project. The most of it >> sounds awesome, but here what comes to my mind: >> * I think it's important with a very esthetic, clear and distinct layout, >> so visitors easily find the information they're looking for and also having >> a good impression of the lojban language (and community). I really must say >> that the current lojban.org doesn't looks rather dull :( >> > > So is it dull or not dull? > > > dull > > > >> >> * What I really would like to have is a list of all lojban projects, >> current status (completed, almost completed but open for editing, suggested >> but not yet started etc), project last updated-info, click to become a >> member in the respectively project group, project cathegories like >> translation projects, technical projects, social projects, vocabulary, vote >> for how important you think each project is etc. It is very important to >> get an overview of the status of the whole lojban devolopment I think. >> > > Everything that you just said is not a programmer's work. The "programmer" > 's work has already been done. > Just register and start developing the wiki. > Everything that is true for Wikipedia is true for our LMW so if you have > some problems you can contact Wikipedia developers (there are plenty of > them on the planet) and then implement it's features in LMW. If you need > extra administrative rights just inform me. > > > Ok, I'll check it out. Could you give me administrative rights please and > I'll see what I can do. > Heh. ko cpacu lo uitki jaspu. Register there!!! > > > >> >> * Forum with distinct cathegories/subjects, instead of the mailing list. >> > > Probably although i'm against splitting the community into separate > forums. On the other hand, the more lojbanic places the better. > > > >> I don't think if all this is possible to work out, but this is my vision >> of what the lojbanic internet community ba se binxo. >> >> How do you say "good luck" in lojban? >> > > di'ai > > And again many suggestions, no actual work. > i mutce lo ka lojbo fadni vau uinai > > i pe'i lo nu mi a. lo datra jnopre ku stidi da kei xlame'a lo dukti be ri > lo jboce'u i ku'i mi ba troci lo nu sidju > > >> mu'omi'e jongausib goi sebastian >> >> 2012/11/7 la gleki >> >>> Translate Extension has been tuned up (ki'e entot !). >>> >>> Using this extension you can translate the content of any page into >>> other languages. >>> If we ever move the CLL, Wave lessons and L4B to this wiki you will be >>> able to translate them chunk by chunk to other languages that you speak. >>> Note that if the source is changed the extension notices this and inform >>> that the translation to another language is out of date. >>> This is how we can put speakers of all languages (not only English) in >>> equal conditions when learning Lojban. >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 9:49:10 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>>> >>>> The wiki has moved to http://mw.lojban.org/ >>>> >>>> On Monday, November 5, 2012 5:22:48 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Now Mediawiki has full support for localising any given page to >>>>> another language. The solution is not ideal, it uses a simple template >>>>> (anyway, ki'ecai .brendyn. for letting know about about this simplest tool) >>>>> >>>>> http://vrici.lojban.org/~**gleki/mw/index.php/Template:**Ralju >>>>> >>>>> If you think the template can be made a bit nicer plase let me know. >>>>> Anyway, now nothing can stop us from starting to really work on this >>>>> wiki. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:59:32 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:57:37 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:15:54 PM UTC+4, Marica Odagaki >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> .uisai I'm all for adopting MediaWiki as the official wiki. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you >>>>>>>> need. Let's make it better than the old one. Together. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a few suggestions to make this project better yet: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A. Set short-term goals. >>>>>>>> - 1. Create overview pages targeted at newcomers/learning & >>>>>>>> teaching/etc. >>>>>>>> - 2. Go over all the TikiWiki pages and migrate them where >>>>>>>> necessary. >>>>>>>> Last time I checked, there are 2357 of them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> B. Broadly categorize pages. >>>>>>>> - About: introduction to the language and organizations >>>>>>>> - Guides: learning materials, faq >>>>>>>> - Documentation: grammar documentation/dictionary/**baseline >>>>>>>> definition >>>>>>>> - Writings: Lojbanic writings/multimedia/games >>>>>>>> - Encyclopedia of related topics >>>>>>>> - News >>>>>>>> - Projects >>>>>>>> - Participation guides >>>>>>>> - People >>>>>>>> - Proposals >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (Discussions should happen in the "Talk" side of the page.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> These are gleaned from a wiki pages categorization project >>>>>>>> I'd been tackling by myself: >>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/**spreadsheet/ccc?key=**0AqPDUjCrM_** >>>>>>>> cfdDI5NzBIMzhCRHZJWGF2Tzl4R245**N3c >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Giving the wiki a minimum structure will help grow it without >>>>>>>> falling into a chaotic state. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> C. Define what goes into the wiki, and state it in the wiki. >>>>>>>> - All of the above (in B.) >>>>>>>> - Questions should be asked in the mailing-list first. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do these sound all good? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> go'isai >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Especially "minimum structure". I don't want lojban.org/tiki to be >>>>>>> shut down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AND NOW IMPORTANT MESSAGE. >>>>>>> Robin INSTALLED MEDIAWIKI ON HIS SERVER. THE CURRENT ADDRESS IS >>>>>>> http://vrici.lojban.org/~**gleki/mw/index.php/ralju_**ckupau >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Problems that I can see so far: >>>>>>> 1. I can't create folders in the root of mediawiki installation. And >>>>>>> probably therefore impossible to upload files. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Solved. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Not only I should have sftp access to that root folder (who is >>>>>>> familiar with MediaWiki? Whom can we trust?) >>>>>>> 3. I haven't found appropriate extension to localise wiki pages on >>>>>>> the fly like it is done in Tiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Translate Extension installed. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope Robin will fix the first problem himself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for the third problem I'm waiting for suggestions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> mu'o >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:23:10 PM UTC+9, la gleki wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:20:20 PM UTC+4, iesk wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the clarification. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What does the logo in the upper left part of the screen stand >>>>>>>>>> for? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, just 25 years of Lojban, nothing more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, and the opening page is currently filled with some non-Lojban >>>>>>>>>> text. Maybe the standard propaganda ( >>>>>>>>>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/la%**20lojban.%20mo?no_bl=y) would be fitting? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> iesk >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. >>>>>>>>> Let's make it better than the old one. 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On Sunday, November 11, 2012 1:24:41 PM UTC+4, jongausib wrote:

<= div>


On Saturday, November = 10, 2012 10:36:58 PM UTC+4, jongausib wrote:
I really like the idea of having a better website for lojban .ausa= i
I'm not a computer programmer, I often feel a bit limited when I discu= ss things in english (no one out there who can translate from swedish to en= glish for me? ;)
.e'u mi'o tavla bau lo jbobau vau u'iru'e=
 
, I don't ha= ve much time (but I really like constructing lujvos (systematically; subjec= t by subject), so I'm probably going to contribute in that way a loot in th= e future).

Anyhow, I've just got some proposals for your project. The most of it s= ounds awesome, but here what comes to my mind:
* I think it's important = with a very esthetic, clear and distinct layout, so visitors easily find th= e information they're looking for and also having a good impression of the = lojban language (and community). I really must say that the current lojban.org doesn't looks rathe= r dull :(

So is it dull or not dull?

dull
 

* What I really would like to have is a list of all lojban projects, cu= rrent status (completed, almost completed but open for editing, suggested b= ut not yet started etc), project last updated-info, click to become a membe= r in the respectively project group, project cathegories like translation p= rojects, technical projects, social projects, vocabulary, vote for how impo= rtant you think each project is etc. It is very important  to get an o= verview of the status of the whole lojban devolopment I think.

Everything that you just said is not a programmer'= s work. The "programmer" 's work has already been done.
Just regi= ster and start developing the wiki.
Everything that is true for W= ikipedia is true for our LMW so if you have some problems you can contact W= ikipedia developers (there are plenty of them on the planet) and then imple= ment it's features in LMW. If you need extra administrative rights just inf= orm me.

Ok, I'll check it out. Could= you give me administrative rights please and I'll see what I can do.

Heh. ko cpacu lo uitki jaspu. Register= there!!! 

 

* Forum with distinct cathegories/subjects, instead of the mailing list= .

Probably although i'm against splitti= ng the community into separate forums. On the other hand, the more lojbanic= places the better.



I don't think if all this is possible to work out, = but this is my vision of what the lojbanic internet community ba se binxo.<= br>
How do you say "good luck" in lojban?

d= i'ai 

And again many suggestions, no actual w= ork.
i mutce lo ka lojbo fadni vau uinai
= i pe'i lo nu mi a. lo datra jnopre ku stidi da kei xlame'a lo dukti be ri l= o jboce'u  i ku'i mi ba troci lo nu sidju


mu'omi'e jongausib g= oi sebastian

2012/11/7 la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com>
Translate Extension has been tuned up (ki'e = entot !).

Using this extension you can translate the content o= f any page into other languages.
If we ever move the CLL, Wave lessons and L4B to this wiki you will be= able to translate them chunk by chunk to other languages that you speak.
Note that if the source is changed the extension notices this and = inform that the translation to another language is out of date.
This is how we can put speakers  of all languages (not only Engli= sh) in equal conditions when learning Lojban.


O= n Tuesday, November 6, 2012 9:49:10 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
The wiki has moved to http://mw.lojban.org/

On Monday, November 5, 2012 5:22:48 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:Now Mediawiki has full support for localising= any given page to another language. The solution is not ideal, it uses a s= imple template (anyway, ki'ecai .brendyn. for letting know about about this= simplest tool)


If you think the template can be made a bit nicer plase= let me know.
Anyway, now nothing can stop us from starting to re= ally work on this wiki.


On Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:5= 9:32 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:


On Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:57:37 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:

On Saturday, September 29, 20= 12 12:15:54 PM UTC+4, Marica Odagaki wrote:
.uisai I'm all for adopting MediaWiki as the official wiki.
=
> Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me wha= t you need. Let's make it better than the old one. Together.

I have a few suggestions to make this project bet= ter yet:

A. Set short-term goals.
- 1. C= reate overview pages targeted at newcomers/learning & teaching/etc.
- 2. Go over all the TikiWiki pages and migrate them where necessary.<= /div>
     Last time I checked, there are 2357 of them.<= /div>


B. Broadly categorize pages.
<= div>- About: introduction to the language and organizations
- Guides: learning materials, faq
- Documentation: grammar d= ocumentation/dictionary/baseline definition
- Writing= s: Lojbanic writings/multimedia/games
- Encyclopedia of related t= opics
- News
- Projects
- Participation guides
- People
- Proposals

(Discussions shoul= d happen in the "Talk" side of the page.)

These are gleaned from a wiki pages categorization project
I= 'd been tackling by myself:

Giving the wiki a minimum structure will help grow it w= ithout falling into a chaotic state.


C. Define what goes into the wiki, and state it in the wiki.
- All of the above (in B.)
- Questions should be asked in the mai= ling-list first.


Do these sound all= good?

go'isai

Especially "minimum structure". I don't want lojban.org/tiki to be shut down.

AND NOW IMPORTANT MESSAGE.
Robin INSTALLED ME= DIAWIKI ON HIS SERVER. THE CURRENT ADDRESS IS

Problems that I can see so far:
1. I can't cr= eate folders in the root of mediawiki installation. And probably therefore = impossible to upload files.

Solved.&n= bsp;

2. Not only I s= hould have sftp access to that root folder (who is familiar with MediaWiki?= Whom can we trust?)
3. I haven't found appropriate extension to localise wiki pages = on the fly like it is done in Tiki.

T= ranslate Extension installed. 


I hope Robin will  fix the first pr= oblem himself.

As for the third problem I'm waitin= g for suggestions.



mu'o


On Thursday, Se= ptember 27, 2012 1:23:10 PM UTC+9, la gleki wrote:


On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:20:20 PM UTC+4, iesk wrote:Thank you for the clarification.

What= does the logo in the upper left part of the screen stand for?

Well, just 25 years of Lojban, nothing more.
&n= bsp;

Oh, and the opening pa= ge is currently filled with some non-Lojban text. Maybe the standard propag= anda ( http://www.lojban.org/tiki/la%20lojban.%20mo?n= o_bl=3Dy<= /span> ) would be fitting?

iesk



Please, develop = the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. Let's make it better tha= n the old one. Together.
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