Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:48966) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TXYv9-0002IA-LT; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:54:15 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id fl17sf4553969vcb.16 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:53:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QBkc2uceyiryG4z00IOeiuyBaAI0dCFMP8ocrcWT2+4=; b=Ol/cqgAp3QDt8jbvy9OFHp2ZK3bbjcNdxfRlY5n35skFs7Ro1waU4OQaJ8uLZkdm/q PP8Awpv/Ozq3i66/MoZ8jq7jnt2a0JJ0eM0/O04pqD35le1kJnyaC337tzm8yhOvzpjP GsEo118nud7h/bCC1xsmricQPFQ3KAOLDPiWGliuHG2JdEUl+yh/97GVX24MzKXM5Whb uAT9pDKU0xiiZniqnxn1ja6dhjayQLeXYxHJjXUNoraKoPs2JhaDgBLgD78S0ZX/Vw7Z LKiRRATFcLF6jn/pb63AdVflPZzCl76nFpc66hun/nY89UWnJhfYwaPMaeCwF9s7BaRD lwmA== Received: by 10.52.28.45 with SMTP id y13mr3178592vdg.10.1352645632700; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:53:52 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.221.10.72 with SMTP id oz8ls6506711vcb.5.gmail; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.205.203 with SMTP id li11mr3300456vec.14.1352645631374; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.205.203 with SMTP id li11mr3300455vec.14.1352645631365; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dj17si1414183vdb.1.2012.11.11.06.53.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of hagisan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.175; Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id p1so5422740vcq.6 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:53:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.34.42 with SMTP id w10mr17990209vdi.10.1352645631205; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.1.65 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:53:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:53:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?W2xvamJhbl0gWxskQjlwQ04bKEJdIBskQkJoGyhCNDUbJEIycyVtJTglUCVzSlk2LzJxGyhC?= From: Masato Hagiwara To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: hagisan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of hagisan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=hagisan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / coi ro do 第44回 CLL 勉強会おつかれさまでした。 勉強会の議事録と、次回日程のご案内を差し上げます。 第45回CLL 勉強会は下記内容での実施を予定しております。 日時:11/25(日) 21:00-23:00 (日本時間) 範囲/担当:第17章から、iocikun. さんご担当 議事録: guskant sunolili: 10.5) 10.6) はエラーになる。 ije の後にむき出しの zo'u を置けないため。 先に冠頭形にしてみると 10.3-1) roda zo'u mi .enai do prami da 10.4-1) roda zo'u mi prami da .ijenai do prami da na は述語論理の外部否定に相当するので、 ijenai が後部の外部否定を表すならば、 10.4-2) roda zo'u mi prami da .ije do na prami da も同じ意味になる。 ijeの代わりに ge ... gi で接続すれば、後部に zo'uが使えて、 10.4-3) roda zo'u ge mi prami da gi naku zo'u do prami da も同じ意味になる。 冠頭を省いた外部否定の形では 10.4-4) mi prami roda .ije do prami roda naku としても意味は等しいはず。 guskant sunolili: da zo'u di broda da guskant sunolili: = da di zo'u di broda da ? guskant sunolili: 11.4) = su'oda poi verba naku su'ode poi ckule zo'u ... guskant sunolili: pe naku https://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/16794aa41c579665/ guskant sunolili: naku zo'u ga ... gi = genai ... ginai ... 重城良国: da naku klama ge la paris. gi la rom. = da naku zo'u de goi ge la paris. gi la rom. zo'u da klama de 重城良国: da naku de po'u ge la paris. gi la rom. zo'u da klama de 重城良国: da de po'u ganai la paris. ginai la rom. zo'u da klama de guskant sunolili: 12.10) = ga la paris. na se klama la djan gi la rom. na se klama la djan. guskant sunolili: 12.11) = la djan. na klama ge la paris. gi la rom. guskant sunolili: なにしろ ro bu'a zo'u segu bu'a gi ... 重城良国: la jan. zo'u ce'u klama = la jan. klama 重城良国: (\x -> x 来る) ジャン 重城良国: apply = 適用 重城良国: da goi la jan. zo'u da klama 重城良国: la jan. la paris. zo'u ce'u klama ce'u 重城良国: la paris. la jan. zo'u ce'u xi re klama ce'u xi pa 重城良国: lu'i ci da poi prenu cu se ralju pa da 重城良国: le gerku poi blabi zi'e poi batci le nanmu cu klama != le gerku poi blabi cu klama .ije le gerku poi batci le nanmu cu klama guskant sunolili: http://mhagiwara.github.com/cll-ja/chapter8.html#ex4.1 guskant sunolili: 「zi'e は英語ではよく and と訳されるが、本当の論理的接続詞ではない。」 guskant sunolili: poi の場合は限定なので e の接続と似ている guskant sunolili: 外延が等しい 重城良国: lo gerku cu klama .ije lo gerku cu batci guskant sunolili: le gerku poi ge blabi gi batci ... guskant sunolili: zi'e の代わりに ... gi ...を使えたら(da'i) 重城良国: poi gi blabi gi batci 重城良国: poi gi poi blabi gi poi batci 重城良国: poi blabi gi batci -- Masato HAGIWARA http://lilyx.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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