In Russian the correct translation is "v roli" (literally "in t= he role of"). It's kinda another idiom.

doi .xorxes., how is= this concept expressed in Spanish?

Looks like the gismu algorithm would fail here because the source la= nguages just don't have the necessary "prim".

So JCB's idea of re= mote global etymology would fail for this concept.

But as Lojban = doesn't want to adhere to 6-language semantics and we assume that this conc= ept deserves a gismu/fu'ivla

then the only thing that is left is = simple mnemonics.

We can't compress "dangzuo" + "i= n the capacity of" + "v roli" into a single gismu (CVCCV/CCVCV) without los= ing recognisability.

So I suggest take special action here and ac= cept

{datso} with mnemonics as =E5=BD=93=E4=BD=9C "dang4zuo= 4" (pronounced as ~ [dang- tswoh]). The BAI could be {da'oi}.

Another option {*danso} obviously clashes with {dansu}.

On Sunday, November 11, 2012= 7:36:22 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:

A correction. My friend from China said that
I regard you as = my close friend =3D =E6=88=91=E6=8A=8A=E4=BD=A0=E5=BD=93=E4=BD=9C=E6=9C=8B= =E5=8F=8B=E3=80=82

So =E5=BD=93=E4=BD=9C "dangzuo"= might be used instead
She said that both expressions are val= id. however, dangzuo is used more frequently.

On Sunday, November = 11, 2012 11:08:07 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:

On Sunday, November 11, 2012 4:29:00 AM UTC+4, selpa'i wrot= e:
Am 11.11.2012 01:19, schrieb Jorg= e Llamb=C3=ADas:
> For the general case, I think you need, as you already proposed, a
> selbri that means something like "x1 qua x2 is/does x3".
>
> Making x3 the main bridi with "qua" as a tag has the same sort of
> problems that "zmadu" has, since you want to distinguish:
>
> I give you this as your friend.
> I give you this as a present.
> I give you this as my friend.
>
> where in each case the "as"-term is linked to a different argument= . So
> it seems to me the best thing is either use a selbri meaning "qua"= in
> the main bridi, or make a lujvo (like the -mau lujvo) that already
> selects which argument is being qualified.

I think you can attach the "qua" tag with a {be} or {pe} to attach it t= o=20
one of the arguments. The problem right now is just that no such selbri= =20
exists, and I don't know what to do about that. It's somewhat urgent=20
that this word be made, but at the same time, making new gismu is not= =20
easily accepted.

=
Some time ago i promised to help every time this problem arises. =
Even if I'm given the task to create a gismu at the light of spe= ed I doubt that the source languages
have the necessary word for = this.

The word "as"
In English an= d Russian these are basically prepositions
English "as" [az]/[ez]=
Russian "kak"
In Hindi phrase "treat me as your friend= " the preposition is translated as "k=C4=93 r=C5=ABpa m=C4=93=E1=B9=81" [ke= rupmem]

Wiktionary treats this meaning as "in the = manner or role specified"
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/as
=

from which we can assume that it's basically
= Spanish "como" [komo]
Portuguese "como" [komo]
Italian "come" [kome]

"=E8=A7=92 - ju=C3=A9" tha= t means "role; part; character"

"=E8=A7=92=E8=89=B2 - ju=C3= =A9s=C3=A8" that means "role"

"play the role of" - "=E6=8B=85=E4= =BB=BB...=E8=A7=92=E8=89=B2"

Another option i= s to search for "qua".

"=E4=BD=9C=E4=B8=BA (=E4=BD=9C=E7=82=BA, = =E4=BD=9C=E4=B8=BA) zu=C3=B2w=C3=A9i" - accomplish; action; to regard (sth = as sth); to look upon (sth as); conduct

=E4=BD=9C=E4=B8=BA= =E7=9F=A5=E5=B7=B1 take sb. for a close friend

= Also.

=E4=B8=BA

(=E7=82=BA, =E4=B8=BA)<= /div>

w=C3=A9i

act as; take...to be; to be; to do; to serve a= s; to become

(=E7=88=B2, =E4=B8=BA)

w=C3= =A9i

variant of =E7=82=BA; to take as; to serve as; to act as; to= behave as

Also.

=E5=BD= =93 d=C3=A0ng treat as; regard as; take for

=E4=B8=8D= =E8=A6=81=E6=8A=8A=E6=88=91=E5=BD=93=E5=B0=8F=E5=AD=A9=E7=9C=8B=E5=BE=85=E3= =80=82 Don't treat me as (like) a child.

All o= f my Chinese friends seem to be sleeping at the moment so I can't check.

Arabic.

http://en.wiktion= ary.org/wiki/part

=D8=AF=D9=8E=D9=88=D9=92=D8=B1=E2= =80=8E =E2=80=A2 (dawr) - position or role.

<= div>German Rolle

Russian [rol]

Italian [ruol]

Preliminary results.

jue 0.246117399315609 az 0.213872071597= 789 komo 0.094630165833114 kak 0.051855751513556 komo 0.048828639115557
=

results in {kazmo}. If we replace [jue] with "zuo= wei" [tsuouei]/[tsove] the results won't change in ther words Mandarin word= completely ignored by the algorithm.

jue= 0.246117399315609 az 0.213872071597789 komo 0.094630165833114 kak 0.051855= 751513556 komo 0.048828639115557

results in {kazve}.

<= div>Replacing with [dan] results in {dazne}

<= /div>

Although I'd prefer {komve} (from "como" and "wei") with {ko'ei} = as a BAI.

But to tell you the truth I can see no g= ood place for sumtcita of this pu'o gismu, if we strictly follow the= algorithm.

All the places are taken.

I just don't want to go too far on my own only to be forced later to=20
undo everything.

Also, the current theatre project from the other thread is a place wher= e=20
this construction is required and I have to finish it by this Monday.= =20
I'm not sure what to do now...

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

--=20
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
.i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
.i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
.i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku

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