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If you think of x2 as an object (which it can be), you will see that cpedu
is actually in the lebna/cpacu/(te) dunda/benji/(te)mrilu, etc.... family.
 The object changing hands being in the x2 spot, and the x3 spot being the
other person involved in the transaction.  It's actually pikci which is the
minde family.

       --gejyspa



On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:28 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

> *cpedu *- x1 requests/asks/petitions/solicits for x2 of/from x3 in
> manner/form x4.
> *minde *- x1 issues commands/orders to x2 for result x3 (event/state) to
> happen; x3 is commanded to occur.
>
> Although two gismu are obviously semantically close to each other they
> differ in the order of arguments.
> Is it just a historical quirk?
>
> I guess this is the "error" of {cpedu} cuz other similar gismu follow the
> structure of {minde}.
>
> *fraxu *- x1 forgives x2 for event/state/activity x3.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If you think of x2 as an object (which it can be), you wil=
l see that cpedu is actually in the lebna/cpacu/(te) dunda/benji/(te)mrilu,=
 etc.... family. =A0The object changing hands being in the x2 spot, and the=
 x3 spot being the other person involved in the transaction. =A0It&#39;s ac=
tually pikci which is the minde family.<div>
<br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div><br></div><div><div><br><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:28 AM, la gleki <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><b>cpedu </b>-=A0x1 requests/asks/petitions/=
solicits for x2 of/from x3 in manner/form x4.<div><b>minde </b>-=A0x1 issue=
s commands/orders to x2 for result x3 (event/state) to happen; x3 is comman=
ded to occur.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Although two gismu are obviously semantically close to =
each other they differ in the order of arguments.</div><div>Is it just a hi=
storical quirk?</div><div><br></div><div>I guess this is the &quot;error&qu=
ot; of {cpedu} cuz other similar gismu follow the structure of {minde}.</di=
v>
<div><br></div><div><b>fraxu </b>-=A0x1 forgives x2 for event/state/activit=
y x3.</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

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