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(vecnu, also)

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

> If you think of x2 as an object (which it can be), you will see that cpedu
> is actually in the lebna/cpacu/(te) dunda/benji/(te)mrilu, etc.... family.
>  The object changing hands being in the x2 spot, and the x3 spot being the
> other person involved in the transaction.  It's actually pikci which is the
> minde family.
>
>        --gejyspa
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:28 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> *cpedu *- x1 requests/asks/petitions/solicits for x2 of/from x3 in
>> manner/form x4.
>> *minde *- x1 issues commands/orders to x2 for result x3 (event/state) to
>> happen; x3 is commanded to occur.
>>
>> Although two gismu are obviously semantically close to each other they
>> differ in the order of arguments.
>> Is it just a historical quirk?
>>
>> I guess this is the "error" of {cpedu} cuz other similar gismu follow the
>> structure of {minde}.
>>
>> *fraxu *- x1 forgives x2 for event/state/activity x3.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">(vecnu, also)<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, No=
v 12, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">If you think of x2 as an ob=
ject (which it can be), you will see that cpedu is actually in the lebna/cp=
acu/(te) dunda/benji/(te)mrilu, etc.... family. =A0The object changing hand=
s being in the x2 spot, and the x3 spot being the other person involved in =
the transaction. =A0It&#39;s actually pikci which is the minde family.<div>

<br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><b=
r></div><div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at=
 8:28 AM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><b>cpedu </b>-=A0x1 requests/asks/petitions/=
solicits for x2 of/from x3 in manner/form x4.<div><b>minde </b>-=A0x1 issue=
s commands/orders to x2 for result x3 (event/state) to happen; x3 is comman=
ded to occur.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Although two gismu are obviously semantically close to =
each other they differ in the order of arguments.</div><div>Is it just a hi=
storical quirk?</div><div><br></div><div>I guess this is the &quot;error&qu=
ot; of {cpedu} cuz other similar gismu follow the structure of {minde}.</di=
v>

<div><br></div><div><b>fraxu </b>-=A0x1 forgives x2 for event/state/activit=
y x3.</div><span><font color=3D"#888888">

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