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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:40:07AM -0800, entot wrote: > On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:16:51 AM UTC+9, .alyn.post. wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:21:14AM -0800, la gleki wrote: > > * We're making a fresh start, so why not keep it clean? > > I've put a lot of work in writing and organizing TWiki pages. I'm > happy to have them migrated to mediawiki, but I'm more-or-less being > told that the work I've done on TWiki isn't valuable ("fresh start"). > > I'm sorry, I didn't mean it. (That "fresh start" line should be attributed > to me.) > When I wrote "maintained pages are good" in my previous post, I had in > mind > those pages you listed in your Twiki user page as you're curating. > As I said on my previous post, I'm on the side of "migrate whatever > valuable > contents from the old wiki." > (Also, if I may slip in another clarification, I didn't mean to say > "geeky" contents > on the old wiki are all cryptic.) > [...] Content analysis details: (2.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.4 BUG6152_INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD BUG6152_INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD 0.6 INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD Invalid Date: header (timezone does not exist) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:40:07AM -0800, entot wrote: > On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:16:51 AM UTC+9, .alyn.post. wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:21:14AM -0800, la gleki wrote: > > * We're making a fresh start, so why not keep it clean? > > I've put a lot of work in writing and organizing TWiki pages. I'm > happy to have them migrated to mediawiki, but I'm more-or-less being > told that the work I've done on TWiki isn't valuable ("fresh start"). > > I'm sorry, I didn't mean it. (That "fresh start" line should be attributed > to me.) > When I wrote "maintained pages are good" in my previous post, I had in > mind > those pages you listed in your Twiki user page as you're curating. > As I said on my previous post, I'm on the side of "migrate whatever > valuable > contents from the old wiki." > (Also, if I may slip in another clarification, I didn't mean to say > "geeky" contents > on the old wiki are all cryptic.) > Thank you. I'm 100% onboard with improving the user experience of our wiki: I find the TWiki frustrating in that regard too. I'm not certain what tools mediawiki gives us to mitigate this problem: it's a function of the content rather than the platform, and I see a future in which we have the TWiki, mediawiki, and the new wiki-of-the-moment because mediawiki filled up with junk. I'm excited there is work being done in this area, and honestly I love working in mediawiki. I'm admin on 2 public and many private mediawikis. There are things I could do with my content if it were in mediawiki that is hard to impossible for me on twiki. But much as I very much support the mediawiki platform, I've already got content written, and I'm not the least bit keen on rewriting it. That is one giant step backwards for me. My time in Lojbanistan is already limited without paving over progress I've already made. I'm not certain, alas, what the set of pages I would need migrated are. It's things like: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/fa%27o and the whole snag of pages that come with it, it's obvious stuff like this: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbogenturfa%27i But then you start into content I'm trying to polish into the 4th baseline proposal: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/PEG And I start to think I basically need the whole wiki, after which I ask why we aren't just addressing the actual organizational problem. I'd like to help. I most certainly adore and use mediawiki, but it has literally taken me years of wall time to get where I am in the existing wiki and I have very little expectation that mediawiki the platform can make up for losing this work. I'm attached to my content, not the platform. If we import it, I'd be happier to be working in mediawiki. But I can't tell to what degree the areas I curate are part of the problem and not welcome in a new wiki vs. your willingness to import this mess and deal with my slow, plodding, but focused nature. mi'e .alyn. -- .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.