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On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:10:35 PM UTC+4, entot wrote:
>
> On Monday, November 12, 2012 10:41:38 PM UTC+9, la gleki wrote:
>
>> Does this mean we're officially moving to MediaWiki?
>>>
>>
>> No!  
>>
>> Is it ok to migrate an entire page from TikiWiki, leaving a "This page 
>>> has moved to ..." message there?
>>>
>>
>> No! Copy them, don't move them for now. Don't touch the old wiki for now.
>>
>> The answer is pretty simple. If we show that we are active and able to 
>> improve the quality of lojbanic wiki
>> then I'm sure we will officially move. What lojbanistan consists of if 
>> not of active jbopre?
>>
>
> OK, I haven't touched anything yet :)
>  
>
>> But if we appear to be lazy, inactive then the answer is "do not rock the 
>> boat! Leave everything as it is!"
>> However, as at least two active people (lindar and J Camaron) were 
>> dissapointed with the current wiki
>> I wanna urge you to develop this wiki so that normal people, not only 
>> geeks can start styudying and *enjoying* this language.
>>
>
> I'm going to work on the Community Portal page so that it gives a nice 
> overview of
> what you can do to help and where you can get help.
>  
>
>> P.S. If anybody can theoretically migrate the whole Twiki to Mediawiki 
>> using some script please inform me.
>>
>  
> Theoretically it's possible.
>
> 1. Obtain a dump file of the Twiki: it should be at [1], but the page just 
> says "file not found"
> 2. Convert it to a format that MediaWiki understands: there is a script by 
> someone at [2]
> 3. Import the result to MediaWiki: note that this may slow down vrici
>
> I can test the process with a MediaWiki on my server, if I can get my 
> hands on the Twiki dump.
> Also it's possible to apply small transformations to each page like 
> assigning categories.
>
> [1]: http://lojban.org/tiki/dump/new.tar
> [2]: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:TikiWiki_Conversion 
>
> Pages for geeks can always be moved under "Discussions" tab as it is 
>> accepted in Wikipedia. (Twiki lacks this feature).
>
>
> I think discussions found in Twiki should stay there. Reasons:
>
> * This is my personal opinion but wiki is ill-suited for discussions and 
> conversations.
>   * We're making a fresh start, so why not keep it clean?
> * The Discussion tab in Wikipedia/MediaWiki is for discussions *about* the 
> main page it corresponds to.
>   * Old discussions in Twiki do not have a corresponding page that they're 
> talking about.
>

.ua .i'e If you also think so then no need for any dumps (and I won't 
contact anyone). Then we are creating that one would call "Lojban for 
everyone on the planet"  as opposed to the old wiki that might be called 
"Lojban for geeks". Let's continue manual work.

>
> mu'o
>

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<br><br>On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:10:35 PM UTC+4, entot wrote:<blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-lef=
t: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Monday, November 12, 2012 10:41:38=
 PM UTC+9, la gleki wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Does this mean we're officially mov=
ing to MediaWiki?</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No! &nbsp;</div><di=
v><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left=
:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Is it ok to migrat=
e an entire page from TikiWiki, leaving a "This page has moved to ..." mess=
age there?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No! Copy them, don't m=
ove them for now. Don't touch the old wiki for now.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>The answer is pretty simple. If we show that we are active and able to im=
prove the quality of lojbanic wiki</div><div>then I'm sure we will official=
ly move. What lojbanistan consists of if not of active jbopre?</div></block=
quote><div><br></div><div>OK, I haven't touched anything yet :)</div><div>&=
nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:=
0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>But if we appear to=
 be lazy, inactive then the answer is "do not rock the boat! Leave everythi=
ng as it is!"</div><div>However, as at least two active people (lindar and =
J Camaron) were dissapointed with the current wiki</div><div>I wanna urge y=
ou to develop this wiki so that normal people, not only geeks can start sty=
udying and <b>enjoying</b>&nbsp;this language.</div></blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div>I'm going to work on the Community Portal page so that it gives a=
 nice overview of</div><div>what you can do to help and where you can get h=
elp.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>P.S=
. If anybody can theoretically migrate the whole Twiki to Mediawiki using s=
ome script please inform me.</div></blockquote><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Theore=
tically it's possible.</div><div><br></div><div>1. Obtain a dump file of th=
e Twiki: it should be at [1], but the page just says "file not found"</div>=
<div>2. Convert it to a format that MediaWiki understands: there is a scrip=
t by someone at [2]</div><div>3. Import the result to MediaWiki: note that =
this may slow down vrici</div><div><br></div><div>I can test the process wi=
th a MediaWiki on my server, if I can get my hands on the Twiki dump.</div>=
<div>Also it's possible to apply small transformations to each page like as=
signing categories.</div><div><br></div><div>[1]: <a href=3D"http://lojban.=
org/tiki/dump/new.tar" target=3D"_blank">http://lojban.org/tiki/dump/<wbr>n=
ew.tar</a></div><div>[2]: <a href=3D"http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:T=
ikiWiki_Conversion" target=3D"_blank">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/<wbr>Ma=
nual:TikiWiki_Conversion</a>&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;=
border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex=
">Pages for geeks can always be moved under "Discussions" tab as it is acce=
pted in Wikipedia. (Twiki lacks this feature).</blockquote></div><div><br><=
/div><div>I think discussions found in Twiki should stay there. Reasons:</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>* This is my personal opinion but&nbsp;wiki is ill-s=
uited for discussions and conversations.</div><div>&nbsp; * We're making a =
fresh start, so why not keep it clean?</div><div>* The Discussion tab in Wi=
kipedia/MediaWiki is for discussions *about* the main page it corresponds t=
o.</div><div>&nbsp; * Old discussions in Twiki do not have a corresponding =
page that they're talking about.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>.ua =
.i'e If you also think so then no need for any dumps (and&nbsp;I won't cont=
act anyone). Then we are creating that one would call "Lojban for everyone =
on the planet" &nbsp;as opposed to the old wiki that might be called "Lojba=
n for geeks". Let's continue manual work.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left: 1ex;"><div><br></div><div>mu'o</div></blockquote>

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