Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:34618) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TYLgb-0002q2-Ug; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:58:22 -0800 Received: by mail-gg0-f189.google.com with SMTP id o6sf6360843ggm.16 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:58:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1SpxfyiB/7kWBkaa+j22U9UHlhOwbpia2U30q4SX7NI=; b=De351KR7wSlwFpSTdjyi4r5adI21M23dqJ5NoQkgz42UU8dG8uyTAxezSctESYSBlf 5hlLjJYthhAcAw91ZyXipBmQw5SCRh+AY5HcpG89NlwYJebRNSHazb7HByBCX3vHK3l4 JWyVCQC5/n82NnFAHW+HUxTM6YnKjFSuo/m/PLRwwOEN1upzhCxHUWadzLJInNiYp22i l5+A+7fHLlQJYEELxtotiPJfaIIh9Snspx/aoJofFPCWmNsCE0C1WLYtxBt1HoVYAMts YbDmkrReuN2U+4Z2szMi0OhW1RzfuNs3e4/XdkH8PqGNGPc3qJd3uxyY3U6O7xqj+A++ lNXQ== Received: by 10.68.243.137 with SMTP id wy9mr4425653pbc.0.1352801437144; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:10:37 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.216.6 with SMTP id om6ls28596788pbc.7.gmail; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.143.74 with SMTP id sc10mr4875128pbb.5.1352801436217; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:10:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:10:35 -0800 (PST) From: entot To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <6cb197db-5690-48fb-8a88-3e633bb6f94b@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <75e248bd-5f19-4528-8b2a-f6360bca7e2f@googlegroups.com> <3e6ec3ab-6f44-42b2-a255-8d5f1a2b5444@googlegroups.com> <609a986d-438d-41b0-89ce-bb3788885c04@googlegroups.com> <7c00388b-7a75-4c50-94c7-8fe780ed7849@googlegroups.com> <763ae57a-a53d-4e0a-a042-99e282ec411f@googlegroups.com> <98ac3a8c-7f91-4049-a8ee-128f9a947671@googlegroups.com> <60b24557-d28a-4330-91e2-4fa350f35cbd@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: ento.entotto@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_778_27143918.1352801435891" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_778_27143918.1352801435891 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Monday, November 12, 2012 10:41:38 PM UTC+9, la gleki wrote: > Does this mean we're officially moving to MediaWiki? >> > > No! > > Is it ok to migrate an entire page from TikiWiki, leaving a "This page has >> moved to ..." message there? >> > > No! Copy them, don't move them for now. Don't touch the old wiki for now. > > The answer is pretty simple. If we show that we are active and able to > improve the quality of lojbanic wiki > then I'm sure we will officially move. What lojbanistan consists of if not > of active jbopre? > OK, I haven't touched anything yet :) > But if we appear to be lazy, inactive then the answer is "do not rock the > boat! Leave everything as it is!" > However, as at least two active people (lindar and J Camaron) were > dissapointed with the current wiki > I wanna urge you to develop this wiki so that normal people, not only > geeks can start styudying and *enjoying* this language. > I'm going to work on the Community Portal page so that it gives a nice overview of what you can do to help and where you can get help. > P.S. If anybody can theoretically migrate the whole Twiki to Mediawiki > using some script please inform me. > Theoretically it's possible. 1. Obtain a dump file of the Twiki: it should be at [1], but the page just says "file not found" 2. Convert it to a format that MediaWiki understands: there is a script by someone at [2] 3. Import the result to MediaWiki: note that this may slow down vrici I can test the process with a MediaWiki on my server, if I can get my hands on the Twiki dump. Also it's possible to apply small transformations to each page like assigning categories. [1]: http://lojban.org/tiki/dump/new.tar [2]: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:TikiWiki_Conversion Pages for geeks can always be moved under "Discussions" tab as it is > accepted in Wikipedia. (Twiki lacks this feature). I think discussions found in Twiki should stay there. Reasons: * This is my personal opinion but wiki is ill-suited for discussions and conversations. * We're making a fresh start, so why not keep it clean? * The Discussion tab in Wikipedia/MediaWiki is for discussions *about* the main page it corresponds to. * Old discussions in Twiki do not have a corresponding page that they're talking about. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/nRKNuDi_vv0J. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_778_27143918.1352801435891 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday, November 12, 2012 10:41:38 PM UTC+9, la gleki wrote:
Is it ok to migrate an entire page from TikiWiki, l= eaving a "This page has moved to ..." message there?
=

No! Copy them, don't move them for now. Don't touch the= old wiki for now.

The answer is pretty simple. If= we show that we are active and able to improve the quality of lojbanic wik= i
then I'm sure we will officially move. What lojbanistan consist= s of if not of active jbopre?

OK, I h= aven't touched anything yet :)
 
But if we appear to be lazy, inactive then the = answer is "do not rock the boat! Leave everything as it is!"
Howe= ver, as at least two active people (lindar and J Camaron) were dissapointed= with the current wiki
I wanna urge you to develop this wiki so t= hat normal people, not only geeks can start styudying and enjoying&n= bsp;this language.

I'm going to work = on the Community Portal page so that it gives a nice overview of
= what you can do to help and where you can get help.
 
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bord= er-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
P.S. If anybody can theore= tically migrate the whole Twiki to Mediawiki using some script please infor= m me.
 
Theoretically it's possible.<= /div>

1. Obtain a dump file of the Twiki: it should be a= t [1], but the page just says "file not found"
2. Convert it to a= format that MediaWiki understands: there is a script by someone at [2]
3. Import the result to MediaWiki: note that this may slow down vric= i

I can test the process with a MediaWiki on my se= rver, if I can get my hands on the Twiki dump.
Also it's possible= to apply small transformations to each page like assigning categories.

[1]: http://lojban.org/tiki/dump/new.tar
[2= ]: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:TikiWiki_Conversion 

Pages for geeks can always be = moved under "Discussions" tab as it is accepted in Wikipedia. (Twiki lacks = this feature).

I think discussions fo= und in Twiki should stay there. Reasons:

* This is= my personal opinion but wiki is ill-suited for discussions and conver= sations.
  * We're making a fresh start, so why not keep it = clean?
* The Discussion tab in Wikipedia/MediaWiki is for discuss= ions *about* the main page it corresponds to.
  * Old discus= sions in Twiki do not have a corresponding page that they're talking about.=

mu'o

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