Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:47168) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TYMBE-00033g-0A; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:29:59 -0800 Received: by mail-vb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id b23sf6383374vbz.16 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:29:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gfWaOYQfCWZiQdLeNdB03LyMwxccgsQDk3VFxBPicFs=; b=biBZBBjhaKII55E5Fwto7vdQ1es4nuN5TeyTOanS9ye7+5gTHEOUXoA/PoHS4RBhCC XQid9OY8QsD4i3+AbyS5IxkV7/hIk0uuf6QYYNQnrGtZ3lTrJY+PClExzhnLQs6Wl0U2 bCCA01hG8fsIoPg2D+ir1Nc3gQI7T6DCO/5rcZOHWRxVfza2SGNBmpSY+ypr2Z187V0i gqNFkiNzh5wg4Wr36AcZ+/a7ZHa8XBeWI2vWvSjlQhZmGUm/TnjEkGPXJjeyNJciqBaR XExSSSeITxZJ1ovl6+NfGyU5EP3O2BBeGTIMlkcBONRjVX6oJrFuzoY/1wBmDq0TKwHh JPBQ== Received: by 10.52.93.229 with SMTP id cx5mr4506492vdb.19.1352834985279; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:29:45 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.226.7 with SMTP id iu7ls9327284vcb.6.gmail; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.93.132 with SMTP id cu4mr4501574vdb.14.1352834983913; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:29:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:29:43 -0800 (PST) From: vruxir To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <699d8b9d-2f04-4a0a-b2cf-a9f498ac19fd@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20121113171712.GG22972@sunflowerriver.org> References: <763ae57a-a53d-4e0a-a042-99e282ec411f@googlegroups.com> <98ac3a8c-7f91-4049-a8ee-128f9a947671@googlegroups.com> <60b24557-d28a-4330-91e2-4fa350f35cbd@googlegroups.com> <6cb197db-5690-48fb-8a88-3e633bb6f94b@googlegroups.com> <285a3908-97fd-4231-8767-479dd0779da8@googlegroups.com> <20121113171712.GG22972@sunflowerriver.org> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kextrii@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_73_9699744.1352834983382" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_73_9699744.1352834983382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm of the opinion that it would benefit a future Wiki if it has imported ALL the contents from the TWiki. If that can be done automatically, then hopefully there's also a way to automatically place a "Cleanup" box at the top of each imported article, saying something to the effect of: "This article was imported from the old lojban.org Tiki Wiki and may not meet the content and style guidelines of this Wiki. Please see our _content and style guidelines_ and clean up this article. If you feel that the article is named inappropriately, the article can be moved to a new name. Do not remove this tag until the article is up to standards." Then you'll want to have some content and style guidelines, probably inspired by Wikipedia or other successful Wikis. (When you move an article to a new name, the old name becomes a redirect; if you replace the old name with a new article, you can insert tags at the top of the article with suggestions to visit the moved article. See, for example, the top of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation ) If there is a debate about what a word really MEANS, then I would think the article about that word needs to report the differing viewpoints (including CLL's viewpoint) and what level of support the viewpoints have. Then the actual continuing debate over the meaning of the word could go in the Discussion tab, OR if it's possible to create another tab with a more appropriate name (e.g. "Grammar Debate"), do that and leave the Discussion tab for talking about the quality of the article itself. By importing all the TWiki content to the new Wiki (and marking them all for "cleanup"), you can safely redirect people from the TWiki to the new Wiki if/when it has been demonstrated that the new Wiki is superior, and you don't have to worry about losing important discussions. mu'o mi'e vruxir On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:16:51 PM UTC-5, .alyn.post. wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:21:14AM -0800, la gleki wrote: > > * We're making a fresh start, so why not keep it clean? > > To be contrary a moment, > > I've put a lot of work in writing and organizing TWiki pages. I'm > happy to have them migrated to mediawiki, but I'm more-or-less being > told that the work I've done on TWiki isn't valuable ("fresh start"). > Any work I would do on the new wiki would need to access/refer to/ > modify the pages I have worked on than are in TWiki. > > I'd love to have them imported to Mediawiki, but as things stand I feel > like work I've put into the wiki is more-or-less being deleted (you can > call it archiving if you want) and I'm wondering what the heck I would > be expected to do with the new wiki when all the content I want to work > on is in the old wiki. > > mi'e .alyn. > -- > .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/01evXYCxTw8J. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_73_9699744.1352834983382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm of the opinion that it would benefit a future Wiki if it has imported A= LL the contents from the TWiki. If that can be done automatically, then hop= efully there's also a way to automatically place a "Cleanup" box at the top= of each imported article, saying something to the effect of:

"This article was imported from the old lojban.org Tiki Wiki and may = not meet the content and style guidelines of this Wiki. Please see our _con= tent and style guidelines_ and clean up this article. If you feel that= the article is named inappropriately, the article can be moved to a new na= me. Do not remove this tag until the article is up to standards."

Then you'll want to have some content and style guidel= ines, probably inspired by Wikipedia or other successful Wikis.
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(When you move an article to a new name, the old name becomes= a redirect; if you replace the old name with a new article, you can insert= tags at the top of the article with suggestions to visit the moved article= . See, for example, the top of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
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If there is a debate about what a word reall= y MEANS, then I would think the article about that word needs to report the= differing viewpoints (including CLL's viewpoint) and what level of support= the viewpoints have. Then the actual continuing debate over the meani= ng of the word could go in the Discussion tab, OR if it's possible to creat= e another tab with a more appropriate name (e.g. "Grammar Debate"), do that= and leave the Discussion tab for talking about the quality of the article = itself.

By importing all the TWiki content to = the new Wiki (and marking them all for "cleanup"), you can safely redirect = people from the TWiki to the new Wiki if/when it has been demonstrated that= the new Wiki is superior, and you don't have to worry about losing importa= nt discussions.

mu'o mi'e vruxir

On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:16:51 PM UTC-5, .alyn.post= . wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 a= t 04:21:14AM -0800, la gleki wrote:
>        * We're making a fresh start, so why no= t keep it clean?

To be contrary a moment,

I've put a lot of work in writing and organizing TWiki pages.  I'm
happy to have them migrated to mediawiki, but I'm more-or-less being
told that the work I've done on TWiki isn't valuable ("fresh start").
Any work I would do on the new wiki would need to access/refer to/
modify the pages I have worked on than are in TWiki.

I'd love to have them imported to Mediawiki, but as things stand I feel
like work I've put into the wiki is more-or-less being deleted (you can
call it archiving if you want) and I'm wondering what the heck I would
be expected to do with the new wiki when all the content I want to work
on is in the old wiki.

mi'e .alyn.
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