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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Let me see if I understand: 1) you create a new platform and obsolete the work I've done. 2) you make it my problem that my data isn't available. Did I miss anything? [...] Content analysis details: (2.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.4 BUG6152_INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD BUG6152_INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD 0.6 INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD Invalid Date: header (timezone does not exist) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature Let me see if I understand: 1) you create a new platform and obsolete the work I've done. 2) you make it my problem that my data isn't available. Did I miss anything? On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 06:02:03AM -0800, la gleki wrote: > Lojbananas, I've switched off my creative mind recently so my future work > on LMW will be exclusively described as "add and add and add... and > stupidly add more content". > So my questions. > 1. If you want ALL the pages from the old wiki migrated please contact > camgusmis or other people that have access to TikiWiki yourself to get a > dump of all pages. If you can show that your method of importing it back > to your own distribution of mediawiki works then of course together with > me we'll import all the pages to LMW. > 1a. If you (tsani + me + probably some other jbopre) don't like pages for > geeks being present there why not move them into a separate namespace or > just prefix them with "Pages for developers/" or similar string? > 2. What plugins do you currently need? > SemanticMW.... got it. > anything else? > > On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:47:05 PM UTC+4, .alyn.post. wrote: > > I like the suggestion of a {{cleanup}} template. I've been working > on general workflow templates over at OpenCog: > > [1]http://wiki.opencog.org/w/Curation > > And they are similar to this idea. You can mark a page as a > {{stub}}, mark it as work in progress ({{WIP}})* write it until > it's a {{proposal}}, and then {{withdraw}} it if it's a bad idea > or tag it with a {{version}} if it becomes a feature. Later work > may cause it to be {{obsolete}} and if you don't keep it in sync > it might get {{out of date}}. > > These templates also take care to register the pages in the > appropriate namespaces, so a curator can see which pages are in > which categories. I like workflow processes like this because any > effort has a 'long tail' of incomplete, partial, bad, and promising > ideas that don't quite fit into the existing structure of the wiki. > > mi'e .alyn. > > * = adding that is on my list, it doesn't exist yet. > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:29:43AM -0800, vruxir wrote: > > I'm of the opinion that it would benefit a future Wiki if it has > imported > > ALL the contents from the TWiki. If that can be done automatically, > then > > hopefully there's also a way to automatically place a "Cleanup" box > at the > > top of each imported article, saying something to the effect of: > > "This article was imported from the old [2]lojban.org Tiki Wiki and > may not > > meet the content and style guidelines of this Wiki. Please see our > > _content and style guidelines_ and clean up this article. If you > feel that > > the article is named inappropriately, the article can be moved to a > new > > name. Do not remove this tag until the article is up to standards." > > Then you'll want to have some content and style guidelines, > probably > > inspired by Wikipedia or other successful Wikis. > > (When you move an article to a new name, the old name becomes a > redirect; > > if you replace the old name with a new article, you can insert tags > at the > > top of the article with suggestions to visit the moved article. > See, for > > example, the top of the article > [1][3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation > > ) > > If there is a debate about what a word really MEANS, then I would > think > > the article about that word needs to report the differing > viewpoints > > (including CLL's viewpoint) and what level of support the > viewpoints > > have. Then the actual continuing debate over the meaning of the > word could > > go in the Discussion tab, OR if it's possible to create another tab > with a > > more appropriate name (e.g. "Grammar Debate"), do that and leave > the > > Discussion tab for talking about the quality of the article itself. > > By importing all the TWiki content to the new Wiki (and marking > them all > > for "cleanup"), you can safely redirect people from the TWiki to > the new > > Wiki if/when it has been demonstrated that the new Wiki is > superior, and > > you don't have to worry about losing important discussions. > > mu'o mi'e vruxir > > On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:16:51 PM UTC-5, .alyn.post. wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:21:14AM -0800, la gleki wrote: > > > * We're making a fresh start, so why not keep it clean? > > > > To be contrary a moment, > > > > I've put a lot of work in writing and organizing TWiki pages. > I'm > > happy to have them migrated to mediawiki, but I'm more-or-less > being > > told that the work I've done on TWiki isn't valuable ("fresh > start"). > > Any work I would do on the new wiki would need to access/refer > to/ > > modify the pages I have worked on than are in TWiki. > > > > I'd love to have them imported to Mediawiki, but as things stand > I feel > > like work I've put into the wiki is more-or-less being deleted > (you can > > call it archiving if you want) and I'm wondering what the heck I > would > > be expected to do with the new wiki when all the content I want > to work > > on is in the old wiki. > > > > mi'e .alyn. > > -- > > .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > [2][4]https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/01evXYCxTw8J. > > To post to this group, send email to [5]loj...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [6]lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > [7]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > References > > > > Visible links > > 1. [8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation > > 2. 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