On Wedne= sday, November 14, 2012 3:03:00 AM UTC+9, .alyn.post. wrote:

I'm 100% onboard with improving the user experience of our wi= ki: I
find the TWiki frustrating in that regard too. I'm not= certain what
tools mediawiki gives us to mitigate this problem: i= t's a function
of the content rather than the platform [snip]

I argue that having a familiar-looking interfac= e itself is an
improvement to the user experience. Also a be= tter editing
experience, which I think MediaWiki offers over= TWiki,
facilitates better content organization.
<= br>
mu'o

On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:47:05 AM UTC+= 9, .alyn.post. wrote:
I like th= e suggestion of a {{cleanup}} template. I've been working
on general workflow templates over at OpenCog:

http://wiki.opencog.org/w/Curation

And they are similar to this idea. You can mark a page as a
{{stub}}, mark it as work in progress ({{WIP}})* write it until
it's a {{proposal}}, and then {{withdraw}} it if it's a bad idea
or tag it with a {{version}} if it becomes a feature. Later work
may cause it to be {{obsolete}} and if you don't keep it in sync
it might get {{out of date}}.

These templates also take care to register the pages in the
appropriate namespaces, so a curator can see which pages are in
which categories. I like workflow processes like this because any
effort has a 'long tail' of incomplete, partial, bad, and promising
ideas that don't quite fit into the existing structure of the wiki.

mi'e .alyn.

* =3D adding that is on my list, it doesn't exist yet.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:29:43AM -0800, vruxir wrote:
> I'm of the opinion that it would benefit a future Wik= i if it has imported
> ALL the contents from the TWiki. If that can be done = automatically, then
> hopefully there's also a way to automatically place a= "Cleanup" box at the
> top of each imported article, saying something to the= effect of:
> "This article was imported from the old lojban.org Tiki Wiki and may not
> meet the content and style guidelines of this Wiki. P= lease see our
> _content and style guidelines_ and clean up this arti= cle. If you feel that
> the article is named inappropriately, the article can= be moved to a new
> name. Do not remove this tag until the article is up = to standards."
> Then you'll want to have some content and style guide= lines, probably
> inspired by Wikipedia or other successful Wikis.
> (When you move an article to a new name, the old name= becomes a redirect;
> if you replace the old name with a new article, you c= an insert tags at the
> top of the article with suggestions to visit the move= d article. See, for
> example, the top of the article [1]http://en.wikipedia.org= /wiki/Defamation
> )
> If there is a debate about what a word really MEANS, = then I would think
> the article about that word needs to report the diffe= ring viewpoints
> (including CLL's viewpoint) and what level of support= the viewpoints
> have. Then the actual continuing debate over the mean= ing of the word could
> go in the Discussion tab, OR if it's possible to crea= te another tab with a
> more appropriate name (e.g. "Grammar Debate"), do tha= t and leave the
> Discussion tab for talking about the quality of the a= rticle itself.
> By importing all the TWiki content to the new Wiki (a= nd marking them all
> for "cleanup"), you can safely redirect people from t= he TWiki to the new
> Wiki if/when it has been demonstrated that the new Wi= ki is superior, and
> you don't have to worry about losing important discus= sions.
> mu'o mi'e vruxir
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:16:51 PM UTC-5, .aly= n.post. wrote:
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> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:21:14AM -0800, la g= leki wrote:
> > * We're making= a fresh start, so why not keep it clean?
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> To be contrary a moment,
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> I've put a lot of work in writing and organizi= ng TWiki pages. I'm
> happy to have them migrated to mediawiki, but = I'm more-or-less being
> told that the work I've done on TWiki isn't va= luable ("fresh start").
> Any work I would do on the new wiki would need= to access/refer to/
> modify the pages I have worked on than are in = TWiki.
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> I'd love to have them imported to Mediawiki, b= ut as things stand I feel
> like work I've put into the wiki is more-or-le= ss being deleted (you can
> call it archiving if you want) and I'm wonderi= ng what the heck I would
> be expected to do with the new wiki when all t= he content I want to work
> on is in the old wiki.
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> mi'e .alyn.
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