Received: from mail-qa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:33790) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TZUTE-0005Ia-2u; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:33:20 -0800 Received: by mail-qa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id d18sf2103883qae.16 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:33:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iyzteDLCoq/ysDcHnIXKZ3CzD4b95eW2Z+ct9ntCH3o=; b=YYEDHU3uMjw/gdeg/FR1vQ9PJcBBGSIIkW3AWMe8PNwkyYxkJ6t/8C1KXkQa6YFGb0 dI/RWg+x3Dt6+VChzAauBFB4h2iAJRKUwcwImn6nGjVL0r/mm8mkLei44mB/R3xMUWO5 DoSx1jIMLLNelsvTrIHH8DfYvrKqkDklj4VKjQXkpWTsLMlhYTVkEjZNE8CuX4SAiClc 84MsM9i47MwjDPDyGzAw8BRN7shg4+W3sOZZ9CNNxElMcm0FkRW3pxblzheNunHW+z63 kTa1rsT6WeEd5XhetlSJTHUNreUrW9i/1b+cKrkwGxxau7KuBXNKpc1fGrPXKDFcrm9e ZL2Q== Received: by 10.49.73.70 with SMTP id j6mr1326083qev.4.1353105181436; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:33:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.133.170 with SMTP id pd10ls505576qeb.60.gmail; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.15.10 with SMTP id t10mr1908008vec.6.1353105180466; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.15.10 with SMTP id t10mr1908005vec.6.1353105180372; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-f47.google.com (mail-vb0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dj17si247611vdb.1.2012.11.16.14.33.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.47; Received: by mail-vb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id e21so665958vbm.34 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.15.72 with SMTP id v8mr6744731vec.55.1353105180186; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:33:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.89.84 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:32:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A6A30E.8020804@gmx.de> References: <50A6A30E.8020804@gmx.de> From: Jacob Errington Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:32:40 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] experimental cmavo {ko'oi} of UI6 as imperativity To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b4501809bd6c604cea45994 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b4501809bd6c604cea45994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I created LAhE, and to be perfectly honest, I am discontent with the actual choice of word for it. It should have been something like ko'oi or ko'ei. I also agree that its status as a LAhE is quite silly. Rather than recycle a word that was poorly chosen to begin with, let's use something that will actually look like an attitudinal. How about {.e'ei} ? It looks like {.ei} for "obligation" but it will mean "command". Seeing as usage of xa'e is very limited, I simply propose that we remove it entirely. LAhE-based imperatives is silly. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 16 November 2012 12:33, selpa'i wrote: > Am 16.11.2012 18:39, schrieb guskant: > > How do you think about {ko'oi}? Any comments will be appreciated. >> > > Since xa'e as LAhE is quite awkward, I have proposed to move it to UI. UI > are easier to handle and more flexible. I added an alternate definition f= or > xa'e on jbovlaste which only needs more votes to become the preferred one= . > I'm not sure we need two different cmavo. > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > -- > pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo > > do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u > .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u > ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu > .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi > gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi > .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku > > > . > > > > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@** > googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/lojban?hl=3Den . > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --047d7b4501809bd6c604cea45994 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I created LAhE, and to be perfectly honest, I am discontent with the actual= choice of word for it. It should have been something like ko'oi or ko&= #39;ei. I also agree that its status as a LAhE is quite silly. Rather than = recycle a word that was poorly chosen to begin with, let's use somethin= g that will actually look like an attitudinal. How about {.e'ei} ? It l= ooks like {.ei} for "obligation" but it will mean "command&q= uot;. Seeing as usage of xa'e is very limited, I simply propose that we= remove it entirely. LAhE-based imperatives is silly.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o


On 16 November 2012 12:33, selpa'i= <= seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 16.11.2012 18:39, schrieb guskant:

How do you think about {ko'oi}? Any comments will be appreciated.

Since xa'e as LAhE is quite awkward, I have proposed to move it to UI. = UI are easier to handle and more flexible. I added an alternate definition = for xa'e on jbovlaste which only needs more votes to become the preferr= ed one. I'm not sure we need two different cmavo.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku


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