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Robin Lee Powell .gy cusku di'e > I'm sorry, I'm really not following this thread properly. I'm > really very overwhelmed right now. It would be good if people > pinged me on IRC for bits that need my person attention (although if > you want to just ignore me and form your own group or whatever, > that'd be fine too :D ) I know you're very busy. However, I think this thread or the questions=20 to which it pertains is of importance to you as well, even if you're=20 sick of it. I'll ping you on IRC then, again. > The issue with the BPFK is that many, many decisions have been made > amongst those who know enough and care enough to try to fix the > rough edges in Lojban. Many things have been worked out thoroughly > and are essentially done. Many but not all. But yes, it just needs to be finished. > The problem is that no-one is working on *implementing* them. But didn't you say that right now is not the time to implement them? You=20 told me to wait for the finished docbook before doing anything. > We don't have a lack of ideas, we have a lack of execution. In that > sense, it's dead. Again, I'm not sure we have your permission to execute. It feels like=20 we're hanging in the balance. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.