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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:59:45PM +0100, selpa'i wrote: > .i la'o gy. Robin Lee Powell .gy cusku di'e > > >The issue with the BPFK is that many, many decisions have been > >made amongst those who know enough and care enough to try to fix > >the rough edges in Lojban. Many things have been worked out > >thoroughly and are essentially done. > > Many but not all. But yes, it just needs to be finished. > > >The problem is that no-one is working on *implementing* them. > > But didn't you say that right now is not the time to implement > them? You told me to wait for the finished docbook before doing > anything. [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:59:45PM +0100, selpa'i wrote: > .i la'o gy. Robin Lee Powell .gy cusku di'e > > >The issue with the BPFK is that many, many decisions have been > >made amongst those who know enough and care enough to try to fix > >the rough edges in Lojban. Many things have been worked out > >thoroughly and are essentially done. > > Many but not all. But yes, it just needs to be finished. > > >The problem is that no-one is working on *implementing* them. > > But didn't you say that right now is not the time to implement > them? You told me to wait for the finished docbook before doing > anything. The docbook *is* implementing them. In the context of Lojban, implementing a change means updating the language documentation to match the change; that's primarily the CLL. Without the docbook, we have no effective way to produce a new printed version of the CLL wiht said changes in it. > >We don't have a lack of ideas, we have a lack of execution. In > >that sense, it's dead. > > Again, I'm not sure we have your permission to execute. It feels > like we're hanging in the balance. I've *begged* for help with the docbook. This community is full of technical who either can help right out of the gate or could learn to help. I'm not sure what more permission you need? If you (you, personally, I mean, because you think shit through) want to work on CLL change proposals in advance of the docbook being complete, that's fine, but until we have something that we can send to a printer, the language isn't updated as far as I am concerned. -Robin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.