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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id yl8si1760357pbc.1.2012.11.19.12.39.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TaY8M-0001HZ-05 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:39:58 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:39:57 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Please answer a book design opinion question (was Re: [lojban] CLL 1.1/ CLL 2.0. What is your opinion in the current situation?) 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:31:37PM +0000, And Rosta wrote: > Robin Lee Powell, On 19/11/2012 20:26: > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:19:45PM +0000, And Rosta wrote: > >>Robin Lee Powell, On 19/11/2012 18:52: > >>>Oh, and that the PDF needs to be something we can send to a > >>>printer to make a book out of, so (in particular) cross > >>>references need to be page number based (which is why we can't > >>>just print the HTML, or anything converted from it; I haven't > >>>found anything that produces page number xrefs from html, much > >>>as I'd *LOVE* to solve the whole thing that way). > >> > >>If the book's subsections are sufficiently short, wouldn't > >>cross-references to subsections, rather than to page numbers, > >>suffice? Many academic books do work thus. > > > >Well, you've got a copy of the red book, what do you think? :) > > > >Can you show me such a book? I've never seen that. Maybe > >something on Amazon where the "look in this book" is working? > > I haven't time to do that. I'd just suggest that since this page > number issue is an impediment to progress, you set it aside. The > extra progress you could make by setting it aside outweighs any > benefit of specific page refs. [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:31:37PM +0000, And Rosta wrote: > Robin Lee Powell, On 19/11/2012 20:26: > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:19:45PM +0000, And Rosta wrote: > >>Robin Lee Powell, On 19/11/2012 18:52: > >>>Oh, and that the PDF needs to be something we can send to a > >>>printer to make a book out of, so (in particular) cross > >>>references need to be page number based (which is why we can't > >>>just print the HTML, or anything converted from it; I haven't > >>>found anything that produces page number xrefs from html, much > >>>as I'd *LOVE* to solve the whole thing that way). > >> > >>If the book's subsections are sufficiently short, wouldn't > >>cross-references to subsections, rather than to page numbers, > >>suffice? Many academic books do work thus. > > > >Well, you've got a copy of the red book, what do you think? :) > > > >Can you show me such a book? I've never seen that. Maybe > >something on Amazon where the "look in this book" is working? > > I haven't time to do that. I'd just suggest that since this page > number issue is an impediment to progress, you set it aside. The > extra progress you could make by setting it aside outweighs any > benefit of specific page refs. OK. Can other people weigh in here? If you were reading a technical book that had no page number based index, wouldn't that shock you? Wouldn't you be all like "what a pack of losers"? I think I would. I've been assuming that that's just totally unacceptable, but I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. -Robin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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