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Content preview: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:39:57PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:31:37PM +0000, And Rosta wrote: > > Robin Lee Powell, On 19/11/2012 20:26: > > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:19:45PM +0000, And Rosta wrote: > > >>Robin Lee Powell, On 19/11/2012 18:52: > > >>>Oh, and that the PDF needs to be something we can send to a > > >>>printer to make a book out of, so (in particular) cross > > >>>references need to be page number based (which is why we can't > > >>>just print the HTML, or anything converted from it; I haven't > > >>>found anything that produces page number xrefs from html, much > > >>>as I'd *LOVE* to solve the whole thing that way). > > >> > > >>If the book's subsections are sufficiently short, wouldn't > > >>cross-references to subsections, rather than to page numbers, > > >>suffice? Many academic books do work thus. > > > > > >Well, you've got a copy of the red book, what do you think? :) > > > > > >Can you show me such a book? I've never seen that. Maybe > > >something on Amazon where the "look in this book" is working? > > > > I haven't time to do that. I'd just suggest that since this page > > number issue is an impediment to progress, you set it aside. The > > extra progress you could make by setting it aside outweighs any > > benefit of specific page refs. > > OK. Can other people weigh in here? If you were reading a > technical book that had no page number based index, wouldn't that > shock you? Wouldn't you be all like "what a pack of losers"? I > think I would. > > I've been assuming that that's just totally unacceptable, but I'm > willing to be persuaded otherwise. > [...] Content analysis details: (2.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.4 BUG6152_INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD BUG6152_INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD 0.6 INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD Invalid Date: header (timezone does not exist) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:39:57PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:31:37PM +0000, And Rosta wrote: > > Robin Lee Powell, On 19/11/2012 20:26: > > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:19:45PM +0000, And Rosta wrote: > > >>Robin Lee Powell, On 19/11/2012 18:52: > > >>>Oh, and that the PDF needs to be something we can send to a > > >>>printer to make a book out of, so (in particular) cross > > >>>references need to be page number based (which is why we can't > > >>>just print the HTML, or anything converted from it; I haven't > > >>>found anything that produces page number xrefs from html, much > > >>>as I'd *LOVE* to solve the whole thing that way). > > >> > > >>If the book's subsections are sufficiently short, wouldn't > > >>cross-references to subsections, rather than to page numbers, > > >>suffice? Many academic books do work thus. > > > > > >Well, you've got a copy of the red book, what do you think? :) > > > > > >Can you show me such a book? I've never seen that. Maybe > > >something on Amazon where the "look in this book" is working? > > > > I haven't time to do that. I'd just suggest that since this page > > number issue is an impediment to progress, you set it aside. The > > extra progress you could make by setting it aside outweighs any > > benefit of specific page refs. > > OK. Can other people weigh in here? If you were reading a > technical book that had no page number based index, wouldn't that > shock you? Wouldn't you be all like "what a pack of losers"? I > think I would. > > I've been assuming that that's just totally unacceptable, but I'm > willing to be persuaded otherwise. > I feel roughly aligned with you. If we publish a book describing a logical language and we can't be bothered to properly cross-reference it I'd wonder about us more than I already do. Honestly, A good index is worth doing by hand, if that's what it takes. mi'e .alyn. -- .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.