Received: from mail-qa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:37829) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TbD45-0007h7-Bw; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:22:36 -0800 Received: by mail-qa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id d18sf1599381qae.16 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:22:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nWvusCqqL1p4mNG2zfBt1Cpvk7bhsncomzQfkqAW0u8=; b=xJvdwdNulLvgtNvul3CgTPmrZu2GdsYzSdug9E3bUac3PCxZljPxipewThIY6cd8qN 4ROiW6+nln8LDz7vko7aJ6isk5QUdx/+7t9GaOw+KjMpFHm0Ve+4RB8EQhCQiAWfGIqN wFcpJLnvO+Gz8+Ce1DZwYgyB/BlBo+LLnYt5jcIGPYlOIZD/sdbOFBIrJxU07VsvzpVJ I9XXCZLR7Nj5cwHTW/CaLCFI7RJvgV3lBCPrNQm5O5dz2Qh57++M0wWpeT9ppFi4FJM8 BimI6CltiSvQ1Tyk9xBEzhw5BEuVXwW6dMAxmlfe+vRGTy8aekKm4Gu2To1trmVeuGrF qG3g== Received: by 10.50.12.169 with SMTP id z9mr70283igb.1.1353514930439; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:22:10 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.12.233 with SMTP id b9ls4523719igc.4.gmail; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.55.66 with SMTP id u2mr15954408icg.33.1353514929728; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.55.66 with SMTP id u2mr15954407icg.33.1353514929709; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com (mail-ie0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ge7si819igb.0.2012.11.21.08.22.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of frankdmartinez@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.223.179; Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 9so1422796iec.10 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:22:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.157.162 with SMTP id wn2mr52992igb.27.1353514929595; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.86.230 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:22:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <291e8942-2309-4343-b7ff-a56ac60c320a@googlegroups.com> References: <291e8942-2309-4343-b7ff-a56ac60c320a@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:22:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Novel written system that parallels the logic of Lojban? From: Frank To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: frankdmartinez@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of frankdmartinez@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=frankdmartinez@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f23570d93a5e304cf03c0e0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f23570d93a5e304cf03c0e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Since lojban is based on predicate logic, I would think the notation of p.l. already constitutes such a system to a large extent, no? On Tuesday, November 20, 2012, charlicopter@gmail.com wrote: > Greetings everyone, > This is my first time visiting the forums... > My curiosity currently lies in the possibility of a written system that > could be developed around Lojban that respects its logical nature. > As far as I can tell in my rudimentary beginnings as a student of Lojban: > The language is designed around phonetics in a similar way to Japanese. by > that, I mean that the language uses predictable and consistent combinations > of vowel and consonant phonetics in the structure of the constituent > word-forms. > > Preposition: In written Lojban, what if you used a character system > similar to Japanese hiragana and katakana: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana & > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana > Japanese Katakana and Hiragana are based on characters which hail from > ancient cultural influences, but what if you started fresh and designed > characters around some kind of logical analysis of Lojbanic structure, > syntax, logic, etc. such that the characters are themselves always > internally consistent and logical? Pictorally speaking, you have many > variables to draw upon: stroke length, angle, curvature, dots, > rotation/orientation, etc. certainly as many variables as are needed to > accurately represent the phonetics, syntax etc. of the language. In this > way, entire gismu might have a chance of being reduced to single characters > which LOOK and FLOW as logically as they behave. > > Thoughts? > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/RSMpezF6avUJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com 'lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com');>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8f23570d93a5e304cf03c0e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since lojban is based on predicate logic, I would think the notation of p.l= . already constitutes such a system to a large extent, no?
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On Tuesday, November 20, 2012, charlicopter@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings everyone,
This is my first tim= e visiting the forums...
My curiosity currently lies in the possibility = of a written system that could be developed around Lojban that respects its= logical nature.
As far as I can tell in my rudimentary beginnings as a student of Lojban: T= he language is designed around phonetics in a similar way to Japanese. by t= hat, I mean that the language uses predictable and consistent combinations = of vowel and consonant phonetics in the structure of the constituent word-f= orms.

Preposition: In written Lojban, what if you used a character system sim= ilar to Japanese hiragana and katakana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana= =A0 &=A0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana
Japanese Katakana and Hiragana are based on characters which hail from anci= ent cultural influences, but what if you started fresh and designed charact= ers around some kind of logical analysis of Lojbanic structure, syntax, log= ic, etc. such that the characters are themselves always internally consiste= nt and logical? Pictorally speaking, you have many variables to draw upon: = stroke length, angle, curvature, dots, rotation/orientation, etc. certainly= as many variables as are needed to accurately represent the phonetics, syn= tax etc. of the language. In this way, entire gismu might have a chance of = being reduced to single characters which LOOK and FLOW as logically as they= behave.

Thoughts?


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