Received: from mail-da0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:63336) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TbDGL-0007y8-Eb; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:35:03 -0800 Received: by mail-da0-f61.google.com with SMTP id z8sf2017638dad.16 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZnCcRSWsl3gTKoNR/Rkm6CK7TRnAbzkVeRnbjJgpVTA=; b=tJdC7A21kplaQMnviuFo9enfYTR96o/F19oNVOZup68xM1L13jjXGmptUU60XQQKJP Jtf9nRipePThIV4Hiu857i1xaDSATwhCE24aede2I2vSB6fHCNs69COskZsx4rlRw56O JxJUHJ5dzL5glYkXmnSH1a1aQvg4A/Zm+k4YJd8yODEUNfiQbEJ8GRYgDtNzNLFpa3mv 8qMpwL7BlKOcKfoEdOvVSs3n67R8YgN4ziVFwe4rLFRtn43mCWnhj6hGtUTJ+FRGehKp GxAamkvrmH3YIGBFzk+45BdmpUlMCB9kArUJ8jwPkCsDZrvJrcgTaWku39SttY589Gz6 4h0g== Received: by 10.50.108.200 with SMTP id hm8mr72949igb.10.1353515690981; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.173.4 with SMTP id bg4ls4810795igc.12.canary; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.8.65 with SMTP id or1mr16121977icb.9.1353515690292; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.8.65 with SMTP id or1mr16121976icb.9.1353515690270; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7si4831igl.0.2012.11.21.08.34.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.52; Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id o6so10110397oag.39 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.134.66 with SMTP id pi2mr16946464obb.42.1353515690088; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.94.71 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <291e8942-2309-4343-b7ff-a56ac60c320a@googlegroups.com> References: <291e8942-2309-4343-b7ff-a56ac60c320a@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:34:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Novel written system that parallels the logic of Lojban? 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On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 4:43 PM, charlicopter@gmail.com < lanternsmith@gmail.com> wrote: > Greetings everyone, > This is my first time visiting the forums... > My curiosity currently lies in the possibility of a written system that > could be developed around Lojban that respects its logical nature. > As far as I can tell in my rudimentary beginnings as a student of Lojban: > The language is designed around phonetics in a similar way to Japanese. by > that, I mean that the language uses predictable and consistent combinations > of vowel and consonant phonetics in the structure of the constituent > word-forms. > > Preposition: In written Lojban, what if you used a character system > similar to Japanese hiragana and katakana: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana & > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana > Japanese Katakana and Hiragana are based on characters which hail from > ancient cultural influences, but what if you started fresh and designed > characters around some kind of logical analysis of Lojbanic structure, > syntax, logic, etc. such that the characters are themselves always > internally consistent and logical? Pictorally speaking, you have many > variables to draw upon: stroke length, angle, curvature, dots, > rotation/orientation, etc. certainly as many variables as are needed to > accurately represent the phonetics, syntax etc. of the language. In this > way, entire gismu might have a chance of being reduced to single characters > which LOOK and FLOW as logically as they behave. > > Thoughts? > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/RSMpezF6avUJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Tue, N= ov 20, 2012 at 4:43 PM, charlicop= ter@gmail.com <lanternsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings everyone,
This is my first tim= e visiting the forums...
My curiosity currently lies in the possibility = of a written system that could be developed around Lojban that respects its= logical nature.
As far as I can tell in my rudimentary beginnings as a student of Lojban: T= he language is designed around phonetics in a similar way to Japanese. by t= hat, I mean that the language uses predictable and consistent combinations = of vowel and consonant phonetics in the structure of the constituent word-f= orms.

Preposition: In written Lojban, what if you used a character system sim= ilar to Japanese hiragana and katakana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana= =A0 &=A0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana
Japanese Katakana and Hiragana are based on characters which hail from anci= ent cultural influences, but what if you started fresh and designed charact= ers around some kind of logical analysis of Lojbanic structure, syntax, log= ic, etc. such that the characters are themselves always internally consiste= nt and logical? Pictorally speaking, you have many variables to draw upon: = stroke length, angle, curvature, dots, rotation/orientation, etc. certainly= as many variables as are needed to accurately represent the phonetics, syn= tax etc. of the language. In this way, entire gismu might have a chance of = being reduced to single characters which LOOK and FLOW as logically as they= behave.

Thoughts?


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