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 Content preview:  On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:37:51AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
    > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:29 AM, .alyn.post. > <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org>
    wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:05:34AM -0800, la gleki wrote: > >
   * *On Monday, November 19, 2012 8:47:45 PM UTC+4, entot wrote: > > > > * *
    *On Friday, November 16, 2012 3:25:53 PM UTC+9, iesk wrote: > > > > * * *
    *- setting the default (= menu display and so on) language to > Lojban >
   > * * * *(logged in users may be able to change it for themselves); > > >
   > * * *Since the purpose of the wiki includes introducing Lojban to > people
    who > > * * *doesn't know about it (doesn't it?), wouldn't it be better to
    > have > > * * *English as the default interface language? > > * * *It seems
    to be the most used language on the internet: > > * * *[1][2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_used_on_the_Internet
    > > > > * *A quick and short reply from me <.ienaisai> > > * *English is
   not the most common language on the planet ([2]my > updated > > * *method
   of generating gismu uses data from here > > * > *[3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers)
    > > * *and English is No 2. > > * *I guess you just don't see any method
   of overriding this but I hope > I can > > * *fix that soon. LMW will be opened
    in the language of your browser > (for > > * *those who are not logged in).
    > > * *Making Lojban the default language in LMW indeed would force us to
    > write > > * *articles in Lojban first and therefore increase our own lojbanic
    > skills > > * *(this idea was mentioned in IRC by la tsani ku .io) > > *
    *Now some news. > > > > * * 1. CavendishMW skin added (though I don't like
    it but others might > do). > > * * 2. Semantic Mediawiki added and installed.
    > > * * 3. [4]http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets added. > >
   * * 4. Autocapitalisation of the name of articles disabled. > > > > If you
    enabled this how I think you did, it is probably more touble > than it's
   worth. *A lot of templates on wikipedia and other places > are sloppy with
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:37:51AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
>    On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:29 AM, .alyn.post.
>    <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
> 
>      On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:05:34AM -0800, la gleki wrote:
>      > * *On Monday, November 19, 2012 8:47:45 PM UTC+4, entot wrote:
>      >
>      > * * *On Friday, November 16, 2012 3:25:53 PM UTC+9, iesk wrote:
>      >
>      > * * * *- setting the default (= menu display and so on) language to
>      Lojban
>      > * * * *(logged in users may be able to change it for themselves);
>      >
>      > * * *Since the purpose of the wiki includes introducing Lojban to
>      people who
>      > * * *doesn't know about it (doesn't it?), wouldn't it be better to
>      have
>      > * * *English as the default interface language?
>      > * * *It seems to be the most used language on the internet:
>      > * * *[1][2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_used_on_the_Internet
>      >
>      > * *A quick and short reply from me <.ienaisai>
>      > * *English is not the most common language on the planet ([2]my
>      updated
>      > * *method of generating gismu uses data from here
>      > *
>      *[3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers)
>      > * *and English is No 2.
>      > * *I guess you just don't see any method of overriding this but I hope
>      I can
>      > * *fix that soon. LMW will be opened in the language of your browser
>      (for
>      > * *those who are not logged in).
>      > * *Making Lojban the default language in LMW indeed would force us to
>      write
>      > * *articles in Lojban first and therefore increase our own lojbanic
>      skills
>      > * *(this idea was mentioned in IRC by la tsani ku .io)
>      > * *Now some news.
>      >
>      > * * 1. CavendishMW skin added (though I don't like it but others might
>      do).
>      > * * 2. Semantic Mediawiki added and installed.
>      > * * 3. [4]http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets added.
>      > * * 4. Autocapitalisation of the name of articles disabled.
>      >
> 
>      If you enabled this how I think you did, it is probably more touble
>      than it's worth. *A lot of templates on wikipedia and other places
>      are sloppy with case, which you can solve using #REDIRECT for pages
>      but I have not figured out how to solve for namespaces.
> 
>      My experimentation with this option caused templates to cease being
>      useful, so I reverted to using the {{lowercase}} template from
>      wikipedia instead of enabling this option.
> 
>    Um, he said DISabled, not ENabled....
>    *
> 

Ah, Mediawiki is a bit weird this way.  It by default capitalizes
the first word of a page, which I assume is what gleki refers to
as Autocapitalization.  Disabling this changes the default, which
is why I said "enabling."  You have to actively work to make
mediawiki not do this.

-Alan
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