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<7c389416-3ceb-4d21-9b6b-e4e1cb5d312f@googlegroups.com> <2d4db499-3585-4456-b7c7-6a6846d6bcee@googlegroups.com> <4429b57e-3fe6-4073-8535-68ecb4d4740c@googlegroups.com> <20121121162901.GJ27366@sunflowerriver.org> <20121121165103.GK27366@sunflowerriver.org> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_129_5036206.1353517095233" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_129_5036206.1353517095233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:50:44 PM UTC+4, .alyn.post. wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:37:51AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:29 AM, .alyn.post. > > <[1]alyn...@lodockikumazvati.org > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:05:34AM -0800, la gleki wrote: > > > * *On Monday, November 19, 2012 8:47:45 PM UTC+4, entot wrote: > > > > > > * * *On Friday, November 16, 2012 3:25:53 PM UTC+9, iesk wrote: > > > > > > * * * *- setting the default (= menu display and so on) language > to > > Lojban > > > * * * *(logged in users may be able to change it for themselves); > > > > > > * * *Since the purpose of the wiki includes introducing Lojban to > > people who > > > * * *doesn't know about it (doesn't it?), wouldn't it be better > to > > have > > > * * *English as the default interface language? > > > * * *It seems to be the most used language on the internet: > > > * * *[1][2] > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_used_on_the_Internet > > > > > > * *A quick and short reply from me <.ienaisai> > > > * *English is not the most common language on the planet ([2]my > > updated > > > * *method of generating gismu uses data from here > > > * > > *[3] > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers) > > > > * *and English is No 2. > > > * *I guess you just don't see any method of overriding this but I > hope > > I can > > > * *fix that soon. LMW will be opened in the language of your > browser > > (for > > > * *those who are not logged in). > > > * *Making Lojban the default language in LMW indeed would force > us to > > write > > > * *articles in Lojban first and therefore increase our own > lojbanic > > skills > > > * *(this idea was mentioned in IRC by la tsani ku .io) > > > * *Now some news. > > > > > > * * 1. CavendishMW skin added (though I don't like it but others > might > > do). > > > * * 2. Semantic Mediawiki added and installed. > > > * * 3. [4]http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets added. > > > * * 4. Autocapitalisation of the name of articles disabled. > > > > > > > If you enabled this how I think you did, it is probably more touble > > than it's worth. *A lot of templates on wikipedia and other places > > are sloppy with case, which you can solve using #REDIRECT for pages > > but I have not figured out how to solve for namespaces. > > > > My experimentation with this option caused templates to cease being > > useful, so I reverted to using the {{lowercase}} template from > > wikipedia instead of enabling this option. > > > > Um, he said DISabled, not ENabled.... > > * > > > > Ah, Mediawiki is a bit weird this way. It by default capitalizes > the first word of a page, which I assume is what gleki refers to > as Autocapitalization. Disabling this changes the default, which > is why I said "enabling." You have to actively work to make > mediawiki not do this. > Heh, Alan is right. I just added $wgCapitalLinks = false; *ti'e* we can do that on a per namespace basis. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinkOverrides $wgCapitalLinkOverrides[ NS_FILE ] = false; What should I put instead of NS_FILE? mi mutce se cfipu tu'a la'oi settings > > -Alan > -- > .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/dEzuU88qAxAJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_129_5036206.1353517095233 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:50:44 PM UTC+4, .alyn.post. wrote= :

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:37= :51AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:29 AM, .alyn.post.
> <[1]alyn...@lodockikumazvati.org>= ; wrote:
>=20
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:05:34AM -0800, la g= leki wrote:
> > * *On Monday, November 19, 2012 8:47:45 P= M UTC+4, entot wrote:
> >
> > * * *On Friday, November 16, 2012 3:25:53= PM UTC+9, iesk wrote:
> >
> > * * * *- setting the default (=3D menu di= splay and so on) language to
> Lojban
> > * * * *(logged in users may be able to ch= ange it for themselves);
> >
> > * * *Since the purpose of the wiki includ= es introducing Lojban to
> people who
> > * * *doesn't know about it (doesn't it?),= wouldn't it be better to
> have
> > * * *English as the default interface lan= guage?
> > * * *It seems to be the most used languag= e on the internet:
> > * * *[1][2]http://en.wikip= edia.org/wiki/Languages_used_on_the_Internet
> >
> > * *A quick and short reply from me <.i= enaisai>
> > * *English is not the most common languag= e on the planet ([2]my
> updated
> > * *method of generating gismu uses data f= rom here
> > *
> *[3]http://en.w= ikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers<= /a>)
> > * *and English is No 2.
> > * *I guess you just don't see any method = of overriding this but I hope
> I can
> > * *fix that soon. LMW will be opened in t= he language of your browser
> (for
> > * *those who are not logged in).
> > * *Making Lojban the default language in = LMW indeed would force us to
> write
> > * *articles in Lojban first and therefore= increase our own lojbanic
> skills
> > * *(this idea was mentioned in IRC by la = tsani ku .io)
> > * *Now some news.
> >
> > * * 1. CavendishMW skin added (though I d= on't like it but others might
> do).
> > * * 2. Semantic Mediawiki added and insta= lled.
> > * * 3. [4]http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets added.
> > * * 4. Autocapitalisation of the name of = articles disabled.
> >
>=20
> If you enabled this how I think you did, it is= probably more touble
> than it's worth. *A lot of templates on wikipe= dia and other places
> are sloppy with case, which you can solve usin= g #REDIRECT for pages
> but I have not figured out how to solve for na= mespaces.
>=20
> My experimentation with this option caused tem= plates to cease being
> useful, so I reverted to using the {{lowercase= }} template from
> wikipedia instead of enabling this option.
>=20
> Um, he said DISabled, not ENabled....
> *
>=20

Ah, Mediawiki is a bit weird this way. It by default capitalizes
the first word of a page, which I assume is what gleki refers to
as Autocapitalization. Disabling this changes the default, which
is why I said "enabling." You have to actively work to make
mediawiki not do this.

Heh, Alan is right. I just added
$w= gCapitalLinks =3D false;

ti'e we can do that on a = per namespace basis.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLink= Overrides

$wgCapitalLinkOverrid=
es[ NS_F=
ILE ] =3D false;

What should I put instead of&= nbsp;NS_FILE? mi mutce se cfipu tu'a la= 'oi settings

-Alan
--=20
.i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du

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