Received: from mail-ia0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:46070) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TbENm-0000JQ-Ke; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:46:50 -0800 Received: by mail-ia0-f189.google.com with SMTP id b35sf3529707iac.16 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:46:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6zNbb5iWgbDAQF6uCgY1iVoc02O89xFdLdxMWq3Zv40=; b=G/5+IKNCRU1Eg3Lroy2QXCEAbmA0O4TZJUNvm+aY8ZXUZwvWBsF+1vIMYAgYiP1034 w/VC2ZAkWPcCkSXjV5NDqgTen6ffYhxREjVb9WnAHl/AVnAw3jxfRBKh5yba1IKuryu7 4Z1x3PYFMz4mxmd2lgqYeO4NzMyTLGH329O3xOd0k9ETTeqRFjg1+UjLD6zoy4TYi+xv +fZgRruk9WjKQzokFcoo3jGjvDfu7MviEO1BzJxh0Hxe8K0nWn0Xz6AHXDhuajernF+x yYZ/vt0gxbfRRcZnWdjmXGE4IwT13TGzGr4iATSq8EvChGzarl8TyMsTcEK/9Br2lQvT qTNg== Received: by 10.50.108.200 with SMTP id hm8mr186383igb.10.1353519996135; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:46:36 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.42.169 with SMTP id p9ls4888889igl.37.gmail; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.211.71 with SMTP id gn7mr16136897icb.11.1353519995464; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.211.71 with SMTP id gn7mr16136895icb.11.1353519995447; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id us14si23457igb.3.2012.11.21.09.46.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id v19so6578294obq.23 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.32.235 with SMTP id m11mr17526888oei.129.1353519995125; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.38.227 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <291e8942-2309-4343-b7ff-a56ac60c320a@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:46:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Novel written system that parallels the logic of Lojban? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f840817fff04cf04eede X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8fb1f840817fff04cf04eede Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Actually, Jonathan, I would have dismissed it too, as "oh, great, another suggestion for a writing system" But this one was actually different. It's suggesting that rather than a simply one-to-one substitution of the existing orthography to another letter-based system, that we basically give each brivla a single symbol, based on things such as place value, so that, for example, each of the danlu gismu might look similar, since they have similar terbri. It's an intriguing suggestion, but I doubt there's much support for it. --gejyspa On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Google "larlermorna". > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 4:43 PM, charlicopter@gmail.com < > lanternsmith@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Greetings everyone, >> This is my first time visiting the forums... >> My curiosity currently lies in the possibility of a written system that >> could be developed around Lojban that respects its logical nature. >> As far as I can tell in my rudimentary beginnings as a student of Lojban: >> The language is designed around phonetics in a similar way to Japanese. by >> that, I mean that the language uses predictable and consistent combinations >> of vowel and consonant phonetics in the structure of the constituent >> word-forms. >> >> Preposition: In written Lojban, what if you used a character system >> similar to Japanese hiragana and katakana: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana & >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana >> Japanese Katakana and Hiragana are based on characters which hail from >> ancient cultural influences, but what if you started fresh and designed >> characters around some kind of logical analysis of Lojbanic structure, >> syntax, logic, etc. such that the characters are themselves always >> internally consistent and logical? Pictorally speaking, you have many >> variables to draw upon: stroke length, angle, curvature, dots, >> rotation/orientation, etc. certainly as many variables as are needed to >> accurately represent the phonetics, syntax etc. of the language. In this >> way, entire gismu might have a chance of being reduced to single characters >> which LOOK and FLOW as logically as they behave. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/RSMpezF6avUJ. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8fb1f840817fff04cf04eede Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 Actually, Jonathan, I would have dismissed it too, as = "oh, great, another suggestion for a writing system" =A0But this = one was actually different. =A0It's suggesting that rather than a simpl= y one-to-one substitution of the existing orthography to another letter-bas= ed system, that we basically give each brivla a single symbol, based on thi= ngs such as place value, so that, for example, each of the danlu gismu migh= t look similar, since they have similar terbri. =A0 It's an intriguing = suggestion, but I doubt there's much support for it.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Jonathan Jones &= lt;eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
Google "larlermorna".


On Tue, Nov 2= 0, 2012 at 4:43 PM, charlicopter@gmail.com <lanternsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings everyone,
This is my first tim= e visiting the forums...
My curiosity currently lies in the possibility = of a written system that could be developed around Lojban that respects its= logical nature.
As far as I can tell in my rudimentary beginnings as a student of Lojban: T= he language is designed around phonetics in a similar way to Japanese. by t= hat, I mean that the language uses predictable and consistent combinations = of vowel and consonant phonetics in the structure of the constituent word-f= orms.

Preposition: In written Lojban, what if you used a character system sim= ilar to Japanese hiragana and katakana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana= =A0 &=A0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana
Japanese Katakana and Hiragana are based on characters which hail from anci= ent cultural influences, but what if you started fresh and designed charact= ers around some kind of logical analysis of Lojbanic structure, syntax, log= ic, etc. such that the characters are themselves always internally consiste= nt and logical? Pictorally speaking, you have many variables to draw upon: = stroke length, angle, curvature, dots, rotation/orientation, etc. certainly= as many variables as are needed to accurately represent the phonetics, syn= tax etc. of the language. In this way, entire gismu might have a chance of = being reduced to single characters which LOOK and FLOW as logically as they= behave.

Thoughts?


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com= /d/msg/lojban/-/RSMpezF6avUJ.
=20 To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojba= n?hl=3Den.



--
mu'o mi'e .aionys= .

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojba= n?hl=3Den.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.
--e89a8fb1f840817fff04cf04eede--