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[98.139.213.161]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r17si596664qcp.1.2012.11.21.18.57.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.213.161 as permitted sender) client-ip=98.139.213.161; Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2012 02:57:19 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.120] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2012 02:57:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2012 02:57:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 515998.71543.bm@omp1025.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 9320 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2012 02:57:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2LXysOAVM1lueouX_x4loochX4VLRxrBzrA8X66qm6OQnev Lokmy6jk98zwoXF19slr1BdF6pRInF2xjNSREMHedKgFdiQHWpF2Qjhg2Fcg GPeWamtCqWlGQdhsm5aqlDjNPoJzdRXmKWu2q3dkHPxEzOz5RvGu1TuBaV7m lacxtoBnfzrYlULWaL.kL_bTDQwwY60vVFz0gNXVpf6Yiz0xKPAtClhjp0Jh IAOB7R8Ps140VUzlIxyw1bP34rSFahxdMP.GRP1u9PUsPcYReqXQzCo70v8. w1dpVVqcF3irF_LjWbaDe11NUui4GSUgA0lh69PhyuNjWc.cMpzuwEsT1VW2 c5Fwo8l8_efn66xhIsuhKSOfmaZWFnAqW3mHzEkPRgj6d5c0HfIYRBe9mDnG 7pftzzWdlT3s9aqEbE_Xz2inu9JAFOtB.R8Y1ksOPooeRVzBiDSzYahbAD3h 5mAWmknFdGR2RbxRYxkPwQLtzvJ8mXM0vFJF9h4JLYeDBNc5w03iV.AD.Pqt YMhf59EUf6AIoIyvBt8XAiFvkcNOupu247j63IdrmUwQbavD.pHtahpHqzQw VCdTm7w3WjlaP1VQG9ePj6gtQM60crw.oiZUlqi8ErIqWuGxUpbjIaztIcWy Glp2w4xz3QXtcWW0UQLDecij4NePBFkDM7iGb Received: from [99.92.108.194] by web184405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:57:18 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,VGhlIHByb2JsZW0gaXMgdGhhdCB0aGVyZSBpcyBubyBib29rLCBub3QgdGhhdCBpdCBpcyBpbiB0aGUgd3JvbmcgZm9ybWF0IG9yIGlzbid0IGluZGV4ZWQuCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogUm9iaW4gTGVlIFBvd2VsbCA8cmxwb3dlbGxAZGlnaXRhbGtpbmdkb20ub3JnPgpUbzogbG9qYmFuQGdvb2dsZWdyb3Vwcy5jb20gClNlbnQ6IFdlZG5lc2RheSwgTm92ZW1iZXIgMjEsIDIwMTIgNTozMiBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogUGxlYXNlIGFuc3dlciBhIGJvb2sgZGUBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.460 References: <50AA9729.1090400@gmail.com> <20121119203957.GC3564@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20121119204323.GH27366@sunflowerriver.org> <20121119213137.GE3564@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20121120195134.GQ3564@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <1353539334.30228.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20121121233209.GT3564@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: <1353553038.78008.YahooMailNeo@web184405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:57:18 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Please answer a book design opinion question (was Re: [lojban] CLL 1.1/ CLL 2.0. What is your opinion in the current situation?) To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" In-Reply-To: <20121121233209.GT3564@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.213.161 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1412092350-2007660139-1353553038=:78008" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ---1412092350-2007660139-1353553038=:78008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The problem is that there is no book, not that it is in the wrong format or= isn't indexed. ________________________________ From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:32 PM Subject: Re: Please answer a book design opinion question (was Re: [lojban]= CLL 1.1/ CLL 2.0. What is your opinion in the current situation?) =20 Are you offering to produce the book?=A0 If not, please be quiet; at least Matt is offering to help. -Robin On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:54PM -0800, John E Clifford wrote: > Errr, did I mention a tendency to spend a lot of time on trivia > while major problems go unaddressed? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ >=A0 From: Matt Arnold > To: lojban =20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: Please answer a book design opinion question (was Re: [lojba= n] CLL 1.1/ CLL 2.0. What is your opinion in the current situation?) >=A0=20 > I was describing starting over from your source markup, whatever it > may be (and I presumed, apparently wrongly, the source markup was XML > compatible). You would ignore my style sheets-- indeed, ignore the > InDesign Document entirely-- and carry out your current non-InDesign > plan, whatever that may be. In that case, the only work you've lost is > mine. But in any other plan, I'm useless to you anyway, so you've lost > nothing. >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:32:30PM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: > >> InDesign imports XML and formats it automatically based on style > >> sheets. My thought was that if I were to be unavailable to make > >> revisions, someone else could probably take the source XML and > >> format it the same way they were already going to if the InDesign > >> version had never existed to begin with. > > > > How, though?=A0 Given the XML and your style sheets, what do we do > > with it? > > > > Like I said, I'm perfectly willing to give it a shot, I jsut want to > > understand more. > > > > -Robin > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@google= groups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lo= jban?hl=3Den. > > >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 http://singinst.org/ :=A0 Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li= 'u --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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The problem is that t= here is no book, not that it is in the wrong format or isn't indexed.


From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkin= gdom.org>
To: lojba= n@googlegroups.com
Sent:<= /b> Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Please answer a book design opinion questio= n (was Re: [lojban] CLL 1.1/ CLL 2.0. What is your opinion in the current s= ituation?)

Are you offering to produce the book?  If not, please be quiet; at
= least Matt is offering to help.

-Robin

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 a= t 03:08:54PM -0800, John E Clifford wrote:
> Errr, did I mention a te= ndency to spend a lot of time on trivia
> while major problems go una= ddressed?
>
>
>
>
> _____________________= ___________
>  From: Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail= .com>
> To: lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com&= gt;
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: = Please answer a book design opinion question (was Re: [lojban] CLL 1.1/ CLL= 2.0. What is your opinion in the current situation?)

>= ; I was describing starting over from your source markup, whatever it
> may be (and I presumed, apparently wrongly, the source markup w= as XML
> compatible). You would ignore my style sheets-- indeed, igno= re the
> InDesign Document entirely-- and carry out your current non-= InDesign
> plan, whatever that may be. In that case, the only work yo= u've lost is
> mine. But in any other plan, I'm useless to you anyway= , so you've lost
> nothing.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 20,= 2012 at 2:51 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@= digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:3= 2:30PM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote:
> >> InDesign imports XML and = formats it automatically based on style
> >> sheets. My thought= was that if I were to be unavailable to make
> >> revisions, s= omeone else could probably take the source XML and
> >> format it the same way they were already going to if the InDesign
> = >> version had never existed to begin with.
> >
> >= How, though?  Given the XML and your style sheets, what do we do
&= gt; > with it?
> >
> > Like I said, I'm perfectly will= ing to give it a shot, I jsut want to
> > understand more.
>= >
> > -Robin
> >
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> >
>
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