Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:49914) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tbbhv-0002qt-D4; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:41:11 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id wz12sf6054175pbc.16 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:40:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/tgU1hLZ4dfuAJzeyx/aIzd2GFu8YTNwkfaKWZcNxQI=; b=Tsryodm1FQ0aVwZ11k77IMpLNkmqaC+B1NGrxoFxhpzG7+mwt4CF4hiwppe2Q0imtw bPstV9g0WQ1NycZbaAks92nBPgfzCidspvBHiJdMviF7+K83dK9nQFTd4g6Wx2y97njs JLO1mHGsdmERIDGgQZpScITAVddkSZE2GLW3YmLu9rtYfdvTvEksYikYqPm0VLFj9XYS Z9ZQkwJnUjRBruaq+Yp4kiVTTkly0tFrlae0oxmk6+f5s3IcwJPp5iyI+hCQhlGqNHKc BekjZitOSNX5p1WYokUxn7NbEPeQLdmCphwTMsMAKa3eYsnRzrMEHhUR5aww0bXwC9Oj A2vw== Received: by 10.49.84.167 with SMTP id a7mr242981qez.11.1353609657084; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:40:57 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.4.67 with SMTP id i3ls40741qei.1.gmail; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.130.229 with SMTP id oh5mr254280qeb.21.1353609655702; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:40:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:40:55 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <16cb715c-d3ee-4e2a-b50c-535e9ed07321@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <86e78277-c410-4da2-bf88-2c3b28752932@googlegroups.com> <20120829023927.GN28376@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <26403884.2krTYlLp09@caracal> <20120924051041.GP25097@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20120924074029.GO1589@nvg.org> <5c9be86d-9724-4bf6-a373-d89473ae85c8@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Two new gismu, "stomach" and "back of body". And a proposal for an updated method of generating gismu. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_295_15508417.1353609655112" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_295_15508417.1353609655112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:21:51 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:54 AM, la gleki > > wrote: > >> So do we need gismu for ventral side? >> If so I completely lost. >> >> Peeps, what are the terms fro that in the languages that you speak? >> I can't find such a word in English ("ventral side of body" doesn't=20 >> count). >> > > The ventral side is the opposite of the back side: the stomache, chest. I= n=20 > fact, ventral comes from the Latin word for "belly". > But we already have {betfu} for that with a different meaning, arent we? > =20 > >> .e'u if English and other languages lack this word we shoudl remove them= =20 >> from the algorithm and retain the languages that have this concept in a= =20 >> short rootword. >> >> >> On Monday, September 24, 2012 11:40:40 AM UTC+4, Arnt Richard Johansen= =20 >> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:10:41PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:=20 >>> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 07:12:54AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:=20 >>> >=20 >>> > > The cutne is anterior to the betfu; both have a ventral surface.=20 >>> >=20 >>> > Can you point met to an explanation of those words, and words like=20 >>> > them, that makes that make sense? Because I don't get it.=20 >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Anatomical_terms_of_location#** >>> Vertebrate_directional_termsis a bit geeky, but hopefully = it helps.=20 >>> >>> >>> --=20 >>> Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org= /=20 >>> On the Semantic Web, it's too hard to prove you're not a dog. --Bill de= =20 >>> h=EF=BF=BDra=20 >>> >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 >> "lojban" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit=20 >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/2aTQL1yDfnEJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >> lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> For more options, visit this group at=20 >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > > > --=20 > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:21:51 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
On Thu,= Nov 22, 2012 at 9:54 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@= gmail.com> wrote:
So do we need  gismu for ventral side?
If so I completely lost.

Peeps, what are the terms fro that in the languages = that you speak?
I can't find such a word in English ("ventral sid= e of body" doesn't count).

The ventral side is the opposite of the back side: th= e stomache, chest. In fact, ventral comes from the Latin word for "belly".<= br>

But we already have {betfu}= for that with a different meaning, arent we?
 
.e'u if English and other languages lack this word we shoud= l remove them from the algorithm and retain the languages that have this co= ncept in a short rootword.


On Monday, September 24, 2012 11:40:= 40 AM UTC+4, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:10:= 41PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 07:12:54AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>=20
> > The cutne is anterior to the betfu; both have a ventral surfa= ce.
>=20
> Can you point met to an explanation of those words, and words like
> them, that makes that make sense?  Because I don't get it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/= Anatomical_terms_of_location#Vertebrate_directional= _terms is a bit geeky, but hopefully it helps.


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